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chrisj900

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 whitley bay/ newcastle
dont think anyone has commented on these yet

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/277819/bmw_m_diesels.html

these just look like rich boys motorway toys!!!personally the idea of having an M in the first place is too have fun which isnt the same in a diesel. yes the new diesels are good compared to a few years ago but still :? i do like the idea of tri-turbos though
 
Think there was another thread on these. EDIT - link HERE Shame. An ///M doesnt belong on a diesel.

Seems like they're appealing to the mass market and not the motoring enthusiast :(


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The good news is that it'll only be a matter of time before ///M design their own car :)


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This is a great step forward as part of a wider plan. These new engines are game changing diesels. My understanding from listening to a BMW announcement is that they are converging petrol and diesel to the same basic block, triple turbo, etc and we'll see crossover in them. Also they stated full commitment to full blown ///M's.

They have to line up all sorts of combos' to be fully market competitive. Just need to learn how to make good looking cars again...
 
In theory, I have no problem with M diesels. They have lots of torque, which should translate to good fun with the skinny pedal, if geared correctly. The turbos should widen the power band, which was the real Achilles heel of diesels.

In reality, I still have a problem with any M badged SAV. I have no interest in big Bimmers either, even 5ers. I also have no interest in auto transmissions, DCT or not. The increased mileage is attractive, but in my area, diesel fuel is rather dear, so the fuel cost savings is only marginal. Even so, I wouldn't mind having a go in a M550d, even if I would never buy one. Purchase is moot anyways, since they're not on offer to Americans.

From a marketing standpoint, it's an interesting move. It brings M more into the continuum of the regular BMW lineup. No longer is M simply the best, M is now some of the best. While this should increase M sales, the dilution of the M name should be disturbing for any true M enthusiast.
 
I suppose when folks think diesel. They think of a Mack truck. As i said in the other M diesel post. Take a look at the Audi And Peugeot LMP cars. One would be daft to say those are slow. And as I recall. they have been spanking the petrol cars in that class for years. As that tech comes to the street we might be in for a pleasant surprise. I think it would be good for BMW to offer hot diesels along with petrol engines in M's. I would agree that BMW needs to stop with the M-sport option for non M's. And just call it a sports or performance option. Nor should there be an M SAV.
 
alekos911 said:
Lucifer disguised as a green soldier has arrived and threats all of us motoring enthusiasts:-(.thats a shame.
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There is nothing green about diesel --- they put out nanoparticles that are known carcinogens and retard the brains of children. They also sound like farm trucks. M for moo. I was very pleased to see BMW remove the diesel power plant from the i8 hybrid concept.
 
Just to put this into context my mere 3.0 diesel XF is 0.2 seconds quicker to 60 than my 3.0 zed
Both hit 155. Both autos and the diesel will destroy the zed in 50 to 80 overtaking.

Real Difference is the XF is a 2 tonne luxury 5 seater car that returns 40mpg or near 50 on motorways. Tax is less and there are zero particulate emissions with DPF fitted, against a purpose built sports car that struggles to get 30+.
Sounds like a subdued V8 too with clever exhaust systems.

Not advocating diesel for ///M's at all, but you can see why manufacturers are headed that way for mainstream cars.
 
cj10jeeper said:
... there are zero particulate emissions with DPF fitted
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The problem isn't so much that you are ignorant, but that you spread misinformation to others. The problem with diesel is precisely the carcinogenic nano-particles that filters do NOT (and cannot) pick up.

Before you hit the reply button, try google: diesel nanoparticles
 
krusty said:
The problem isn't so much that you are ignorant, but that you spread misinformation to others
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Unnecessarily aggressive don't you think? Especially for a dishevelled, alcoholic, washed-up children's entertainer! :poke:
 
BMWZ4MC said:
krusty said:
The problem isn't so much that you are ignorant, but that you spread misinformation to others
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Unnecessarily aggressive don't you think? Especially for a dishevelled, alcoholic, washed-up children's entertainer! :poke:
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Alternative views are always welcome.... let's keep it friendly :)
 
Adamski, you got your quote of my post and reply in before I finished editing my post to make it less aggressive!!

Edit: but I see that you followed suit and edited yours too... We're playing editing tennis here :D
 
BMWZ4MC said:
Adamski, you got your quote of my post and reply in before I finished editing my post to make it less aggressive!!
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Hehe - had to delete my first reply, as it didnt match your edited version :lol: I should have just quoted krusty really.... I know what you mean :)
 
krusty said:
cj10jeeper said:
... there are zero particulate emissions with DPF fitted
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The problem isn't so much that you are ignorant, but that you spread misinformation to others. The problem with diesel is precisely the carcinogenic nano-particles that filters do NOT (and cannot) pick up.

Before you hit the reply button, try google: diesel nanoparticles
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Happy to hear your views of course, but I see no need for such a tone and language. Nano particles are created by lots of processes including of course diesel engines and I've seen little but speculation about the effects of them. Search and you can find anything you want.
 
I'm no scientist but on the quick search on Google all the research seemed to be 2006-2008 and related to Euro
IV not the current Euro V or the forthcoming Euro VI. A link to the Euro V and Euro VI standards is attached below. Perhaps someone with a more scientific brain than I can provide more clarification!

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/environment/air_pollution/l28186_en.htm
 
Some research results from 2011:

* Diesel nanoparticles can damage the liver:
http://www.merid.org/Content/News_Services/Nanotechnology_and_Development_News/Articles/2011/Nov/18/a_cerium_problem.aspx

* Diesel nanoparticles causes lung damage:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110518161713.htm

* Diesel nanoparticles damage your immune system:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/ipi/2011/00000033/00000003/art00019

* Diesel nanoparticles cause cell death:
http://www.int-med.uiowa.edu/News/Stories.asp?displayID=299

* Diesel nanoparticles can cause heart attacks:
http://www.totallyliving.co.uk/health/2011/07/15/diesel-fumes-can-spark-heart-attacks-say-scie

* Diesel nanoparticles causes brain deterioration (neurodegeneration)
http://legacy.autism.com/medical/research/advances/autism-airpollu.htm

etc ...
 
krusty said:
Some research results from 2011:

* Diesel nanoparticles can damage the liver:
http://www.merid.org/Content/News_Services/Nanotechnology_and_Development_News/Articles/2011/Nov/18/a_cerium_problem.aspx

* Diesel nanoparticles causes lung damage:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110518161713.htm

* Diesel nanoparticles damage your immune system:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/apl/ipi/2011/00000033/00000003/art00019

* Diesel nanoparticles cause cell death:
http://www.int-med.uiowa.edu/News/Stories.asp?displayID=299

* Diesel nanoparticles can cause heart attacks:
http://www.totallyliving.co.uk/health/2011/07/15/diesel-fumes-can-spark-heart-attacks-say-scie

* Diesel nanoparticles causes brain deterioration (neurodegeneration)
http://legacy.autism.com/medical/research/advances/autism-airpollu.htm

etc ...
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The bottom line is that there are so many organizations competing for your donations and tax dollars or pushing an ideological agenda. That it seems that there is THE THREAT DU JOUR any more. And of course one must wade through reams of carefully chosen words that we all ways over look when reading the disaster they are selling. As in "can" "might" "may" "possibly" "could" Those are all buzz words that mean only one or two things. They want more money. or that they demand you give your life over to them before it's to late. As they know best how you should live your life. We are living longer than we ever have. HHHMMM! How is this possible. diesels have been around since the 1880's and they are getting cleaner. And then there's the simple fact that having been born we will eventually die no matter what one does. I saw on QI XL one time. A study that says if a man is castrated he will live 12 years longer, Not go bald, And suffer less acne. I imagine that banning diesels will not make that kind of life expectancy difference. So Krusty! Have you made your doctors appointment yet? After all. It's in the interest of having a longer and healthier life.
 
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