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BMW is not supportive of the Enthusiast Community

Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
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Post by markeg » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:55 am

Or Alpina's. Much more specialist :wink:
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Post by jamie_z4 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:02 am

i hope you can sleep at night not knowing the exlusivity of your mass produced car :lol:
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Post by enzed4 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:49 am

Valor1 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:31 am The bottom line is if the BMW community, i.e., you folks all agreeing with BMW, believes BMW not releasing information about their production numbers is okay then BMW will continue to do that.....and their cars will never attain the status of their prior generations of cars, collector-wise.


I guess the bottom line is if the cars aren't special enough in BMW's eyes to support the community, and this community doesn't care or want that support in this way then they simply aren't that special......which may in part explain the massive depreciation these cars have.



Judging by folks reactions here these cars are, well, just cars.
Not sure about the 'BMW community', but I suspect you're correct about this forum. Members aren't too fussed about exclusivity and elitism when it comes to the Z4, it's more about enjoying the ownership experience, without much of an eye for the future value of them.
We don't want or care about knowing how many versions of every combination of colour, trim, etc were produced by BMW, and we are okay with BMW not releasing the information to that level of detail.
There may be other forums with members of a similar view to yours, but I don't think you will get too much support for your cause here.
My opinion, at least. And since I own a pretty common garden variety 2.5Si there would probably not be much benefit in that knowledge for me.
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Post by SeanConnor » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:50 am

Zedona wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:45 am Perhaps you should switch to collecting stamps :fuelfire:
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Yup and stop being such a bloody car snob. Are you suggesting that being built in the USA is a good thing ?
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Post by Pastry » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:53 am

jamie_z4 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:02 am i hope you can sleep at night not knowing the exlusivity of your mass produced car :lol:
:rofl: :rofl:
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Post by sticky » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:31 am

I thought vin numbers told you the spec..then compare that to model year and options

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Post by sticky » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:32 am

Bit like Rolex...tell you nothing. But if you go to Bob's watches 😎

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Post by Dav the wheel nut » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:36 pm

The guy is obviously an enthusiast and proud of his car so why knock him :o

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Post by Tumnus » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:13 pm

BMW made more than 115,000 E89's, and I usually see at least one everyday on my commute to work (and not the same one everyday either!)

So I don't think it's either a collectors car or a super car, it's just a good looking mass produced roadster, nothing more. Oh and 'stick shift' is very common in the UK.
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Post by GuidoK » Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:15 pm

Valor1 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:31 am ..and their cars will never attain the status of their prior generations of cars, collector-wise.
So an e30 m3, a 1m or z3m coupe were treated the same way by bmw, and look what that did to their collector status..... something amg can only dream about.
Also an e89 is not an /m, so comparing it to AMG or Lamborghini is ridiculous in the first place.
Looks like you got your facts mixed up :lol:

An e89 in low numbers because it has a different colour or different interior trim finish is not special. Its just an e89 and only special to the ones that like that colour or interior trim. You dont seem to get that. It'll never be a 250gto or Lambo.
If you want to have a special z4, buy one in urban green. Very special, very uniqe and dirt cheap because no one wants it :lol:
You'll be the only one driving it for sure.

If you want a unique car, then make it yourself just the way you like it. then you're not bound to the limitations that bmw offers, but only bound to your own imagination and skills.
Dav the wheel nut wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:36 pm The guy is obviously an enthusiast and proud of his car so why knock him :o
Because he seems to have demands that are out of proportion imho.
If he really wants to know how many cars bmw made in what configurations, he should hack the vin database. In theory that contains all production data.
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Post by Kingfisher » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:53 am

All sounds a bit anal to me ... I reckon the OP is a dedicated flouncer! ... :|
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Post by Valor1 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:05 am

GuidoK wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:15 pm
Valor1 wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:31 am ..and their cars will never attain the status of their prior generations of cars, collector-wise.
So an e30 m3, a 1m or z3m coupe were treated the same way by bmw, and look what that did to their collector status..... something amg can only dream about.
Also an e89 is not an /m, so comparing it to AMG or Lamborghini is ridiculous in the first place.
Looks like you got your facts mixed up :lol:

An e89 in low numbers because it has a different colour or different interior trim finish is not special. Its just an e89 and only special to the ones that like that colour or interior trim. You dont seem to get that. It'll never be a 250gto or Lambo.
If you want to have a special z4, buy one in urban green. Very special, very uniqe and dirt cheap because no one wants it :lol:
You'll be the only one driving it for sure.

If you want a unique car, then make it yourself just the way you like it. then you're not bound to the limitations that bmw offers, but only bound to your own imagination and skills.
Dav the wheel nut wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:36 pm The guy is obviously an enthusiast and proud of his car so why knock him :o
Because he seems to have demands that are out of proportion imho.
If he really wants to know how many cars bmw made in what configurations, he should hack the vin database. In theory that contains all production data.
My "demands are out of proportion?" Out of proportion to what? Heaven forbid BMW take one minute to disclose such basic information to a Client who owns a Z8, Z1 and yes, an apparently mundane Z4. Not wanting to sound like a w****r, but with all due respect, I do have a collection of cars where I have either the only one or one of a very few ever produced. Not sure what you mean by it will never be a "250GTO or Lambo." That sentence makes no sense. Some Lamborghinis are rare, as was my 350GT and Islero S, and others are not particularly rare, such as a Gallardo. Putting a GTO in the same sentence with a "lambo" is simply illogical in this context.

The irony here is most of the Z4 owner's responses are actually undercutting their own car's prestige....which is very interesting.

As a collector, I will go out on a limb here and say N54 powered manual gearbox cars will retain their value better than folks here realize.

It's too bad the Z4 was not developed the way the 911 owners passionately developed their cars (and yes some of them began very rudimentary). I had a car at a show recently and overheard a man showing his son a 911 and pointing out how that was the only year the filler was located in that particular location. Oh, but wait.....911s appreciate in value.....and they just produced their one millionth example. :)

I guess its no wonder BMW stopped campaigning the highly successful Z4 race cars.

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Post by Valor1 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:28 am

Tumnus wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:13 pm BMW made more than 115,000 E89's, and I usually see at least one everyday on my commute to work (and not the same one everyday either!)

So I don't think it's either a collectors car or a super car, it's just a good looking mass produced roadster, nothing more. Oh and 'stick shift' is very common in the UK.
I am glad you see one every then surely you've seen one like mine?

Do you have the N54 motor, and if so, what mods have you done so far?

Of course not all E89s are the same just like all E90s are not the same. I wonder how many N54 manual gearbox E89s there are?

Yes. They made 115k E89s
But BMW made 197,950 of the prior generation Z4, and
BMW produced 315,088 Z3

Care to guess how many Boxers were made during the same period as the E89?

So purely on math the E89 Z4 is by production car standards pretty rare.

But how many of these cars have the N54 motor and then with a stick?

From everything I read, the N54 is tuner's paradise with some guys making 800 hp from these motors. Point being, this car has some serious performance potential with an N54 powerplant.

A Z4 need not be a hairdressers car but a hairy chested beast.

Nice video of an N54 335i beating a 911GT3
https://youtu.be/js1V13HYBzY
N54 taking a Supra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkKhArm8Ods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bg2mCrs46U

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Post by Valor1 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:29 am

markeg wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:55 am Or Alpina's. Much more specialist :wink:
Really bizarre that Alpina would not be supportive given their much smaller nature you'd think they'd be more geared towards customer service.

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Post by Valor1 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:32 am

Zedona wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 6:45 am Perhaps you should switch to collecting stamps :fuelfire:
Or sell my Z4 and buy a second Z8 for a daily driver.

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