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Shaking steering when braking

Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:38 pm

My 04' Z has 83.000km

I have new rotors and brake pads (3000km) and overhauled calipers because I upgraded everything to 3,0si specs front and back. I bedded the brakes according to instructions.

When I am driving at high speeds >130-140km/hour and slow down by braking I can feel a tremble in the steering wheel. I cannot feel it when braking hard to a stand still or at slower speeds when braking for example at a traffic light. Recent MOT did not show any braking inconsistency but of course their tests are at lower speeds.

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Post by pvr » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:12 pm

Generally, I would look at warped disks but as they are new perhaps less likely.

When were the wheels last balanced?
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Post by buzyg » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:14 pm

Have you changed any tyres recently. Could be a wheel imbalance, at it's as particular speeds.
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Post by Smartbear » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:16 pm

Mine exhibited the same behaviour & it was worn lollipop bushes :driving:
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Shaking steering when braking

Post by sticky » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:17 pm

Wishbone wear/joints

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Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:31 pm

pvr wrote:Generally, I would look at warped disks but as they are new perhaps less likely.

When were the wheels last balanced?
I cannot think how 325mm discs could get warped without any track day use. I have not even put much pressure on them since replaced.


Tires were balanced and alignment was done about three months ago.
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Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:33 pm

Smartbear wrote:Mine exhibited the same behaviour & it was worn lollipop bushes :driving:
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This sounds worth checking. Did they visually look worn?
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Post by Smartbear » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:36 pm

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Smartbear wrote:Mine exhibited the same behaviour & it was worn lollipop bushes :driving:
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This sounds worth checking. Did they visually look worn?
Still looked ok but had developed some slop, I replaced with mehley hd replacement bushes which were not oil damped but have a good reputation for lasting well :thumbsup:
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Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:42 pm

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Smartbear wrote:Mine exhibited the same behaviour & it was worn lollipop bushes :driving:
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This sounds worth checking. Did they visually look worn?
Still looked ok but had developed some slop, I replaced with mehley hd replacement bushes which were not oil damped but have a good reputation for lasting well :thumbsup:
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Just remembered I had one of them changed a few months ago. :/ Maybe the other one needs replacing also.

Or do they go in pairs? Not sure.
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Post by mattyp » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:54 pm

Smartbear wrote:Mine exhibited the same behaviour & it was worn lollipop bushes :driving:
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Same for me also. I would be looking at suspension bushes.
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Post by Scooba_Steve » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:55 pm

Most likely the lollipops - proper name brake reaction bushings. You could consider poly for these.

Brake discs really don't warp, but I'm not going to get into that.
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Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:07 pm

Scooba_Steve wrote:Most likely the lollipops - proper name brake reaction bushings. You could consider poly for these.

Brake discs really don't warp, but I'm not going to get into that.

Number 8??

These are a few months old on mine. Original BMW

http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E85/E ... _wishbone/

I would also appreciate reading why rotors don't warp?
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Post by Scooba_Steve » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:13 pm

Yes, so if both of those are new you could have worn arms (at 6 and/or 7) which you can check by trying to rock the wheel.

Next could be what would normally be termed warped discs. They won't actually be warped but the usual cure when paying is to replace due to labour costs. You could have them skimmed if you remove them yourself but deposits can return if not enough is removed and/or if there is any runout.
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Post by Fanatic » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:31 pm

Scooba_Steve wrote:Yes, so if both of those are new you could have worn arms (at 6 and/or 7) which you can check by trying to rock the wheel.

Next could be what would normally be termed warped discs. They won't actually be warped but the usual cure when paying is to replace due to labour costs. You could have them skimmed if you remove them yourself but deposits can return if not enough is removed and/or if there is any runout.
But my discs are new. Is it possible that new discs can have this problem?
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Post by Scooba_Steve » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:38 pm

If they were installed with runout yes, but given the age of the cars I'd expect bushings to be failing - check the front control arms or get someone to do it as the first step.
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