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Post by mr wilks » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:20 pm

I like the colour , gives the car a fresher look however i do think it hampers sale prospects . Also has silver headrest hoops both before the wrap & after ? They would normally be black
Service history is also a little odd ?
A late ins2 after 3 consecutive ins1 :? & why the gearbox oil change at 66k ? its ins2 was at 63k so should already have been changed 3000 miles earlier :?
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Post by pvr » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:57 pm

It has lost some hp at 252 as well .. :?
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Post by Anmarube » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:02 pm

I've took a few wraps off and always find damage and cut marks.
Would not buy that purely on this. Paint 4K if any damage to it..

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Post by Mroadster » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:37 pm

The wrap can go off easily and the car goes back to silver, so I don't see the problem.. I obviously value the great look it gives and the protection aspect. I wouldn't expect the wrap to have been done that terribly as Dub Customs normally wrap cars that cost hundreds of thousand of pounds, and that get often rewrapped several times every year.. I'm sure there's other cheaper/unexperienced wrappers that do damage but not all wraps damage a car (especially if you think that transparent wraps are made to protect the paint work.. what would be the point?). Looks like I've tickled all the wrap haters.. :lol:

The hoops were silver before wrap and I believe it's the right thing? They are wrapped gunmetal anyway, to better match the wheels (painted gunmetal by the previous owner)

I can't say about the inspections, honestly. The gearbox works smoothly and flawlessly, confirmed by Technosport which is probably the best M specialist garage in London (the owner races E46 M's and owns an M coupe), which was the last garage that inspected the car just a little over one year ago (have the invoice of that, not stamped in the booklet though, as they had no reason to change oils, filters and reset the inspection light). I've asked him to specifically check the gearbox, given than it is my first Z4 M and I've read a lot about the gearbox being stiff in 1st and 2nd gear, the CDV mod etc.. he just smiled at me and said "there's nothing wrong with the gearbox". And he was right: you just need to learn to drive this car and use this gearbox.

My guess is.. as I was told by the dealer that the previous owner (to which they did sell the car just one year before) that he returned the car to buy an SLK automatic because he couldn't be bothered with the manual, he might have thought that a gearbox oil change was necessary and would have smoothened the gearbox, but then he realised it's just supposed to be as it is and realised he needed a more civilised car instead..... :lol:
pvr wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:57 pm It has lost some hp at 252 as well .. :?
Power is 252 KW, or 338 HP, that's from the original order spec sheet.. anyway, guys.. looks like everybody here is trying hard to help with the sale! :lol:
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Post by Lynchy » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:07 pm

Not at all, my first choice before I came an ///M owner was to get a Silver one like yours but was fortunate to get an Imola one at a great price. Your ///M looks great but with the wrap people will always be in two minds about it. It is about selling your car after all and I truly believe removing the wrap will help your sale.

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Post by Mroadster » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:43 pm

I do really appreciate the advice, but I definitely won't waste (it is, for me, a waste) 2k£ of perfectly fine and good looking wrap just to entice a potential buyer.. as I wrote in my OP, this is for those that can appreciate the current upgrades on the car. I can only guarantee that this is a perfectly executed, professional wrap, done by guys that every week wrap Bugattis and Rolls Royces and other unique cars.. not a cheap wrap job done by someone that would cover damage and cut the paint in the process.

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Post by john-e89 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:29 pm

Mroadster wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:43 pm I do really appreciate the advice, but I definitely won't waste (it is, for me, a waste) 2k£ of perfectly fine and good looking wrap just to entice a potential buyer.. as I wrote in my OP, this is for those that can appreciate the current upgrades on the car. I can only guarantee that this is a perfectly executed, professional wrap, done by guys that every week wrap Bugattis and Rolls Royces and other unique cars.. not a cheap wrap job done by someone that would cover damage and cut the paint in the process.
I have no doubt that your intentions are honourable but giving a ‘guarantee’ is utterly meaningless, especially as you yourself doesn’t know the state of the paint underneath until the wrap comes off. £14.5k is a lot of money in anyone’s book, you really cannot be surprised at people being very very cautious.

Best of luck with the sale, I hope you find the right buyer.
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Post by Mroadster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:21 am

You're all assuming that the wrappers will have damaged the car in the process. As if I was camping in all the other sellers threads assuming and pointing out that when a mechanic last changed their car's oil, he probably was the worst and accidentally dropped acid in the engine or.. whatever else. You won't know until the engine explodes. So what do you do, you expect and advise the owner to disassemble his whole car in order to sell it.. because otherwise a buyer won't ever know?

I know my guarantee is "utterly meaningless" (thanks, by the way!), I'm just insisting on the fact that this is the work of a serious, professional garage that wraps cars that cost hundreds of thousands of pounds, which are brought to them by the owners when still new, to have them wrapped also as a form of protection.. a garage that works regularly with famous YouTubers, which bring them cars on a monthly basis (you might not be aware, but these guys change cars as often as we change underwear), to wrap, unwrap, rewrap them in a newer fancier colour. Weirdly enough.. no one of them has ever had reason to expose an awful job that destroyed his precious new car?

Here everyone is just assuming it's the work of some amateur.. that most probably damaged and cut the paint.

It's quite ridiculous.. that people that aren't interested in buying come here suggesting the most dreadful things based on no evidence, total assumptions, or having delusions like saying the car lost power, because they're confusing KW with HP.. etc etc.

14.5k£ is a lot of money? There are no cars with my mileage currently for sale on AutoTrader for less than 14.5k£. One is 16k£. All the other cars with lower mileage are over 16k£. All the cheaper cars are still around 13k£, but over 70k, 80k miles (if not over 100k). So my car asking price is actually aligned with the lowest price on the market for cars of my mileage.

Yeah, maybe there's people that is desperate to sell and makes an eBay auction for 11k£ (on cars you can only see on a webpage and you must bid on them without seeing them). That only damages all us owners of Z4's - at least those of us that are preservers and prospective collectors - except maybe those really envious of an M car.

But.. whatever - you're the experts here, so I will shut up. Sorry for being salty, but I'm just trying to sell a car - I didn't expect all this negativity, and it's a bit annoying. Every time I check the thread, I have to read someone pointing out that something about my car probably is wrong, based on no knowledge of it. I've been in several car and bikes forum in my life and I've never seen anything like this. Only because I have a very short history of few posts here, I guess.

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Post by mr wilks » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:14 am

Mroadster wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:21 am
As if I was camping in all the other sellers threads assuming and pointing out that when a mechanic last changed their car's oil, he probably was the worst and accidentally dropped acid in the engine or.. whatever else.

It's quite ridiculous.. that people that aren't interested in buying come here suggesting the most dreadful things based on no evidence, total assumptions

Sorry for being salty, but I'm just trying to sell a car - I didn't expect all this negativity, and it's a bit annoying.
I didn't suggest any of the services were done badly :? your ad title states full service history , anyone looking for a S54 should have service record high on the list in terms of importance & however way you break it down its quite clearly not as it should be .
You are trying to sell a car , some folks have pointed out that the wrap might negate your chances of a sale ? You disagree & that's your opinion but i only see the comments offered as a help towards you achieve your objective .
As for the prices you offer up of similar cars ? Many have stood for months , if they haven't sold why is that ? Bad car ? Bad price ?
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Post by tomscott » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:13 am

I think the wrap looks great! very unique! Car looks nice :thumbsup:

Plus its a lovely colour underneath that is pretty rare!

The service schedule could be easily sorted by giving the car an INS2 soonish after purchase for piece of mind by a reputable specialist. The main thing is the car has been serviced regularly in time and mileage, apart from the first service which was abit late. Having 2 INS1 in a row at least its over serviced not under. Although the INS2 should have been done earlier and im not sure if the garage would have checked the valve clearances, or maybe the garage supplied a tolerance sheet. Many of these smaller garages tick the INS2 box because it has an INS1 previous. Not the end of the world the main difference between the two is the valve clearances, possible shim replacement.

Car looks in great condition. Be a great car for someone at sensible money GLWTS OP :thumbsup:

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Post by Mroadster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:43 pm

mr wilks wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:14 am I didn't suggest any of the services were done badly :?
Sorry Wilks, my rant wasn't about your remarks, but just all the (unjustified, I think) negativity about the wrap. And that comment about the power etc.

Thanks, Tom. About inspections.. the detailed invoices (which I have, but haven't posted) show that the valves were checked in 2012 in a service that on the booklet it's been marked as INS1. Apparently they didn't change the gearbox oil, which is the other major INS2 thing (if I'm not wrong). I've already explained about the gearbox oil anyway.

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Post by john-e89 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:54 pm

My comment was about £14.5k being a lot of money per se, not about your car in particular, and that’s why people will be wary. Nobody is making assumptions that the wrap will definately have damaged the paint, just that it’s happened before to others, hence the caution, so the suggestion to remove it is one made to help, not hinder, nobody wants you not to sell the car.

Best of luck fella, as I said I hope you find a buyer, no offence intended if you have been. :)
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Post by Mroadster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:10 pm

john-e89 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:54 pm My comment was about £14.5k being a lot of money per se, not about your car in particular, and that’s why people will be wary. Nobody is making assumptions that the wrap will definately have damaged the paint, just that it’s happened before to others, hence the caution, so the suggestion to remove it is one made to help, not hinder, nobody wants you not to sell the car.

Best of luck fella, as I said I hope you find a buyer, no offence intended if you have been. :)
Thanks.. yes, I got it it was "per se" but it seemed all comments were quite negative. These cars are rare and appreciating, so that lot of money becomes actually a good investment opportunity, which isn't something you can say about many cars.

It seems like I have to debate everything otherwise this would be an hijacked thread about a car that has damage covered by wrap, has lost substantial power, poor service history and that costs a lot of money. Really? Come on.

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Post by earthdweller » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:54 pm

I think wraps can look amazing ... look at the green Cayman belonging too STG on YouTube .. it is gorgeous

But .. for me that’s on an almost new car,with I’m assuming near faultless paint work and crucially it will probably be removed within 6 months

Look at the Shmee cars and the like .. all short term

We have been wrapping work vehicles at our place for years and after four or five years on the vehicle every single one has looked horrific when the wraps have been removed

Your wrap is on a 12/13 year old car .. only you know what that paint was like before the wrap went on

There’s plenty of years under its belt for body repairs or non factory paint to be on it . and car repair paint doesn’t take well to wraps

Also there’s the chance it’s hiding rust or other nasties underneath

To me .. and this is my personal view I wouldn’t even consider it with the wrap on .. certainly not for top money

If it was mine, no matter how much I loved the colour of the wrap .. I’d have it removed and the car cleaned up/detailed

I’d then sell it in original condition.. I’m sure you’d get a much better response and far more interest

Remember that you are not selling your taste .. but the vehicle

My house is going up for sale in the new year .. it has just been fully redecorated in the latest subtle neutral tones .. why ? Well because that’s what the market wants

It is the same for cars .. for an M to get top money it needs to be as original and authentic as possible

Personally, for me, the wrap reduces the value of the car by what it would cost me to remove it AND respray the car underneath to factory standard
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Post by Marlon » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:47 pm

You’ve posted an advert on a specialist Z4 forum for free.
That comes with certain risks – not least is that knowledgeable owners may pass comment, whether those comments are fair or not is always going to be a subjective call. An open forum is the wrong place to advertise if you don’t want feedback or expect only positive comments.
All that aside, its a great looking motor GLWTS
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