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Speeding Law Change

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:41 pm
by Easi85

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:44 pm
by buzyg
Only fair if you ask me. :)

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:59 pm
by Ducklakeview
Whilst I agree that the fines should be income based, they should also be used to improve/repair the roads rather than other things.

Also, this is gonna sting a lot of people.. "If you are caught at between 31 and 40mph in a 30mph zone you will get three penalty points and a fine of between 25 and 75 per cent of your weekly income."

Not the fine, but exceeding the limit by 1mph? When I did my "speed awareness course" last week, there was a guy who was there for doing 53mph in a 50 on a dual carriageway - What happened to the 10%+ 2.5mph ACPO guidelines, which are;


Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) issued revised speed enforcement policy guidance in 2013. It suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. The particular margin is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. The guidance sets guidelines for when it would be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice or for the driver to attend a speed awareness course, and when it becomes appropriate to issue a summons. These are guidelines only and a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.

In summary the guidelines are:

Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 24 mph
summoning: 35 mph

Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 35 mph
summoning: 50 mph

Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 46 mph
summoning: 66 mph

Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 57 mph
summoning: 76 mph

Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 68 mph
summoning: 86 mph

Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 79 mph
summoning: 96 mph

Taken from http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road ... ces/#speed

Mike

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:34 pm
by extrablatt
Wow, it's the first I've heard of it.

I agree, I was always told the 10% rule, but I suppose it might be at the discretion of a police force. Having to go on speed awareness for doing 53 in a 50... I wonder why the driver didn't contest that?

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:54 am
by chapeau
I guess it may have changed since but 2 years ago i did a speed awareness course and was told it was 10% +2. I got caught at 36 in a 30. (My own fault i didnt see the speed limit change from 40 as was in an unfamiliar area and was matching the speed of traffic around me)

I use the cruise control now to stop me from ever exceeding the limits in our other car. Its something i'll have to add to the zed at some point.

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:58 am
by original guvnor
Ridiculous and a stealth tax.

No doubt the 44% increase in speeding tickets has been used to justify it but if you stick a load more mobile vans everywhere you'll catch more people.

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:13 am
by Ewazix
The leeway calculation is advisory, local Forces can choose to ignore it to tackle a particular black-spot or officers can use their own discretion on it's application if circumstances dictate. At the end of the day the legal limit is, the legal limit, we stray over at our own risk and it's no good bleating about unfairness if we are unobservant enough to get caught.

I'm not sure about the fine calc's though, I know plenty of self-employed and Directors who earn next to nothing on paper, unfortunately us PAYE saps will get stung! :(

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:50 am
by Chris_D
I'm hoping that company director theory will be the case if I ever get caught speeding in the UK (unlikely however as I drive like a nun these days)
Put myself on minimum wage to take advantage of 20% corporation tax FTW! lol :evil: :exitright:

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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:20 am
by Buckz
44% increase is probably due to the fact that we've got average speed cameras all over the place, 20 speed limits with cameras too(have you ever tried keeping z4 under 20? thing does not like it) mobile vans etc.

doubt the number of speeders increased.

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:14 pm
by maxman
Ducklakeview wrote:Whilst I agree that the fines should be income based, they should also be used to improve/repair the roads rather than other things.

Also, this is gonna sting a lot of people.. "If you are caught at between 31 and 40mph in a 30mph zone you will get three penalty points and a fine of between 25 and 75 per cent of your weekly income."

Not the fine, but exceeding the limit by 1mph? When I did my "speed awareness course" last week, there was a guy who was there for doing 53mph in a 50 on a dual carriageway - What happened to the 10%+ 2.5mph ACPO guidelines, which are;


Speed Enforcement
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) issued revised speed enforcement policy guidance in 2013. It suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. The particular margin is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. The guidance sets guidelines for when it would be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice or for the driver to attend a speed awareness course, and when it becomes appropriate to issue a summons. These are guidelines only and a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.

In summary the guidelines are:

Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 24 mph
summoning: 35 mph

Speed limit: 30 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 35 mph
summoning: 50 mph

Speed limit: 40 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 46 mph
summoning: 66 mph

Speed limit: 50 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 57 mph
summoning: 76 mph

Speed limit: 60 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 68 mph
summoning: 86 mph

Speed limit: 70 mph
ACPO threshold for:

a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 79 mph
summoning: 96 mph

Taken from http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road ... ces/#speed

Mike


I take it you did not get let off for speeding on the M56 a couple of months ago .

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:34 pm
by mmm-five
Don't know what they'd make of my 'weekly income' though as some weeks it's 10 times more than other weeks - I suppose a average over the last 12 months?

I'm glad there's some discretion (by coppers at least)...as my last one was for 95mph in a 60mph in Wales.

I got a £60 fine & 3pts purely because I hit that speed for seconds whilst overtaking a tosser in a 6-series who decided to floor it once I started my overtake.

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:07 am
by Ducklakeview
maxman wrote:
I take it you did not get let off for speeding on the M56 a couple of months ago .


Dont get me started on that complete and utter balls up. I'll update the thread when I've calmed down!

Mike

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:06 am
by Grumpyowl
I attended a course last Friday, they said 2 new courses coming out for speed awareness on motorways and 20 mph zones.

Speeding Law Change

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:31 am
by RickRob
On what basis is this fair? Speed limits are there for safety reasons. Someone exceeding those limits is deemed to being unsafe and therefore should be penalised. But on what basis Is someone earning, say, £250k any more unsafe than the person doing the same speed but earning £25k?

Makes no sense to me..

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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:44 am
by Hilly30si
RickRob wrote:On what basis is this fair? Speed limits are there for safety reasons. Someone exceeding those limits is deemed to being unsafe and therefore should be penalised. But on what basis Is someone earning, say, £250k any more unsafe than the person doing the same speed but earning £25k?

Makes no sense to me..


Since when as anything to do with Government been fair. All they know is a rich guy in his Aston getting nicked is going to generate four times more money in fines of which they know will be paid.