Petrol engines beginning of the end

GBZ4 · Post by **GBZ4** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:32 pm

Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:49 pm Got quite concerned when I read the topic heading.

Then I used the link - it's Volvo. They've not yet made a car I would want, so who gives a sh1t?

+1

Nictrix · Post by **Nictrix** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:17 pm

Grumpyowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:57 am Can you only imagine the apocalyptic world wide recession and possible world war that would follow if petroleum sales were to finish anytime soon.

Exactly. It makes too much money to get rid of.
What would surely have to happen next would be electricity costing 3 times as much to cater for the loss of fuel duty.
Its a bit like cigarettes, really they should be banned and they should stop making them but they make so much money off the tax.

Paulr · Post by **Paulr** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:25 pm

Grumpyowl wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:57 am Can you only imagine the apocalyptic world wide recession and possible world war that would follow if petroleum sales were to finish anytime soon.

Don't need to, I am sure Mad Max will be considered a documentary in years to come.

Hilly30si · Post by **Hilly30si** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:36 pm

And pray tell me where will all the electricity come from to charge all these cars. Until they perfect the hydrogen car running on water, it will never happen

Ducklakeview · Post by **Ducklakeview** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:24 pm

And now France has jumped on board http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07 ... cles-2040/

Mike

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:26 pm

If good enough for the Saint, good enough for me

Tim.

Paulr · Post by **Paulr** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm

TitanTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:26 pm If good enough for the Saint, good enough for me

Tim.

Always loved the P1800, perhaps in forty years time we will be being all romantic about the Nissan Leaf? No, you are right.

The Tesla though might just make it there. Cannot see the XC90 in the same league!

Maniac · Post by **Maniac** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:32 pm

Seems this story is a bit misleading. They're engaging with electric not binning fossil fuel.

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:11 pm

Maniac wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:32 pm Seems this story is a bit misleading. They're engaging with electric not binning fossil fuel.

Hybrid, but only until the technology is there to go all electric mainsteam, I don't think thats too far away. I seriously think the combustion engine will be a thing of the past in 10/15 years, when you think about it combustion technology is pretty rudimentary and I can't see it progressing any further, sad as that sounds.

Tim.

exdos · Post by **exdos** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:34 am

It gets worse; France is set to ban the sale of all petrol and diesel engined vehicles by 2040: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40518293

Nictrix · Post by **Nictrix** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:36 am

exdos wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:34 am It gets worse; France is set to ban the sale of all petrol and diesel engined vehicles by 2040: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40518293

I should have my bus pass by then so can go a day trip on an electric bus

exdos · Post by **exdos** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:40 am

TitanTim wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:11 pm
Hybrid, but only until the technology is there to go all electric mainsteam, I don't think thats too far away. I seriously think the combustion engine will be a thing of the past in 10/15 years, when you think about it combustion technology is pretty rudimentary and I can't see it progressing any further, sad as that sounds.

Tim.

The problem with electric vehicles will always be the length of time it takes to recharge the battery packs, which means that there will need to be far more electric charging points than there are petrol pumps now. It's all well and good having domestic charging points on properties with driveways/garages, but what about all the vehicles street parked? Likewise, are electric vehicles a viable alternative to diesel powered lorries with much greater energy requirements bearing in mind the weight of these vehicles when loaded?

ranski · Post by **ranski** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:50 am

23 years is a very longtime into the future, who knows what the state of the worlds climate will be, which if any petrol driven cars manufacturers offer, nor the cost of road tax or the gas pumps.

If the next 23 years trends the same as the below then you'll better get that charging point fitted.

In short, I don't think we will have a choice.

Sae · Post by **Sae** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:10 am

... All part of world geo political economics - i can see why Trump pulled of the paris agreement, not only would he have to give up use of coal but also reduce oil consumption, which they have still got their own stocks, so dont see the v8s comin to an end yet...
Strange that the far east countries were getting bollocked for their industrial co2 emmissions but are now moving into the greener sector, and now the US arent playing anymore...
Im a bit of a political sceptic, so I can only conclude that the politicians are only puppets to big industry - hence the rejection of climate change theory (trump isnt an idiot, hes only doing what his captains of industry want). Climate change was invented to tax the manufacturing countries and now recinded when it doesnt suit...
Not saying there is any truth in the above and Im not rejecting climate change but sometimes the truth is the bit in the middle, the world is getting warmer (probably due to increase in population and energy consumption/production in general), the shift in power and money is moving, the new wars are fought with global policy...
Apologies for the rant, we were just talking about bloody volvos

mmm-five · Post by **mmm-five** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:34 am

ranski wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:50 am

In 29 years the fuel price has gone up from 36p/l to 116/l - 80p or 222% increase.

In 29 years, my average wage have gone up from £60/week to £600/week - so a £540 or 900% increase.

I won't worry...as long as my pay increases at the same rate for the next 29 years

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