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Post by john-e89 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:46 am

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Reading the other thread on mods the guy mentions the clutch stop mod. Being only 5'6" the only gripe I have with the M is how long the clutch travel is, i can 'almost' get the ideal seating position but even though I'm a short arse I like being set back from the steering wheel but the clutch travel prevents the perfect seating position, so setting the seat another inch back would be brilliant. If I do this mod does it mean I can set the clutch stop higher up than the standard plastic one which I've screwed out a little already? I haven't moved it much as it's a crappy flimsy affair and I don't think it would take much to break it. Reading on the American forums on the other post it seems that clutch engagement happens quite a way before the clutch stop so I'm hoping I can gain an inch on the pedal.

If anyone knows please shout up, if this is possible without interfering with full clutch engagement it'll make my day, I'm absolutely loving the M, this would make it even better!

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Post by Argenta » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:26 am

Personally I wouldn't bother.
I suppose you could adjust it to the max but then risk the longivety of the synchro rings in the gearbox & the clutch itself.

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Post by mmm-five » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:30 pm

Disengagement will be at the same point no matter how far you screw out a stop.

All you’re doing is stopping the full disengagement by decreasing the pedal travel. If you want to do that, then just don’t push the pedal down as far.

I think clutch stops are for lazy people or those with no mechanical sympathy, who just want to mash the pedal to its limit and not worry any further.
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Post by john-e89 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:51 pm

mmm-five wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:30 pm Disengagement will be at the same point no matter how far you screw out a stop.

All you’re doing is stopping the full disengagement by decreasing the pedal travel. If you want to do that, then just don’t push the pedal down as far.

I think clutch stops are for lazy people or those with no mechanical sympathy, who just want to mash the pedal to its limit and not worry any further.
I'm very mechanically sympathetic Tony, I guess 33 yrs of driving I'm set in my ways of dipping the clutch to the floor. I just want to set my seat back a touch to get the ultimate seating position, I don't mash the pedal, but if there's a stop I sometimes reach it, I'd rather have a stop than not, then I know I've completely disengaged the gearbox.
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Post by BMWZ4MC » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm

John, I tried a clutch stop on my ///M and found it prevented the clutch from fully disengaging. My clutch disengages fairly close to the floor, so if yours disengages higher in the pedal travel, it might work with your Zed. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you'd like it.

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Post by FD3S » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:27 pm

Argenta wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:26 am Personally I wouldn't bother.
I suppose you could adjust it to the max but then risk the longivety of the synchro rings in the gearbox & the clutch itself.
I would agree with Argenta. Personally I wouldn't risk to put it very high. But a trial and error will convince you, since it is not an expensive mod and you can throw it away if it doesn't suit you.

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Post by ga41 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:18 pm

BMWZ4MC wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm John, I tried a clutch stop on my ///M and found it prevented the clutch from fully disengaging. My clutch disengages fairly close to the floor, so if yours disengages higher in the pedal travel, it might work with your Zed. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you'd like it.

(Edited because I'm an idiot)
That's strange? A clutch stop was maybe the first thing i bought for my M years ago. Even with it installed the clutch bite point is well before the stop. I keep it at its lowest point which is i would guess around 3cm further out.
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Post by PerryGunn » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:56 pm

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Post by BMWZ4MC » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:36 pm

ga41 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:18 pm
BMWZ4MC wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm John, I tried a clutch stop on my ///M and found it prevented the clutch from fully disengaging. My clutch disengages fairly close to the floor, so if yours disengages higher in the pedal travel, it might work with your Zed. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you'd like it.

(Edited because I'm an idiot)
That's strange? A clutch stop was maybe the first thing i bought for my M years ago. Even with it installed the clutch bite point is well before the stop. I keep it at its lowest point which is i would guess around 3cm further out.
The cutch bite point will vary between cars and might change as the clutch wears (though mine has taken up close to the floor for all of the 8 years and 50,000 miles I've had mine).

I'd be quite happy if my clutch disengaged / engaged in the first third of pedal travel. Then, with a tall clutch stop, gear changes would be possible with only a few centimetres of pedal travel.
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Post by john-e89 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:49 pm

BMWZ4MC wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm John, I tried a clutch stop on my ///M and found it prevented the clutch from fully disengaging. My clutch disengages fairly close to the floor, so if yours disengages higher in the pedal travel, it might work with your Zed. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you'd like it.

(Edited because I'm an idiot)
A very kind offer my friend, thanks very much. :thumbsup:

As yours my clutch disengages close to the floor, having done some specific testing I've come to the conclusion that a clutch stop wouldn't make any discernible difference, so I'll leave as is.

It's not a problem as it is, I'm just on a mission to create the ultimate M for me and any improvement is worth exploring but this won't make enough difference to bother.

Just on a side note, I went to the Brompton, I saw Alana Heart, a colleague of Michael Polkey, if you've heard of them.

Thanks again, hope you're enjoying the sunshine on what I'm sure is limited time off. :thumbsup:
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Post by john-e89 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:53 pm

PerryGunn wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:56 pm Because I'm a short-arse, I bought this one a couple of years ago and it's been great
Cheers for the link Perry, hardly worth breaking out the welder and making one for that price is it.... :lol:
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Post by BMWZ4MC » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:56 pm

john-e89 wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:49 pm
BMWZ4MC wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:48 pm John, I tried a clutch stop on my ///M and found it prevented the clutch from fully disengaging. My clutch disengages fairly close to the floor, so if yours disengages higher in the pedal travel, it might work with your Zed. If I can find it, I'll send it to you if you'd like it.

(Edited because I'm an idiot)
A very kind offer my friend, thanks very much. :thumbsup:

As yours my clutch disengages close to the floor, having done some specific testing I've come to the conclusion that a clutch stop wouldn't make any discernible difference, so I'll leave as is.

It's not a problem as it is, I'm just on a mission to create the ultimate M for me and any improvement is worth exploring but this won't make enough difference to bother.

Just on a side note, I went to the Brompton, I saw Alana Heart, a colleague of Michael Polkey, if you've heard of them.

Thanks again, hope you're enjoying the sunshine on what I'm sure is limited time off. :thumbsup:
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Post by Beedub » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:41 am

i absolutely hate this mod....
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Post by Z4M-2006 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:25 am

You got the CDV removed John ?

May make your clutch action feel better,it did with mine lthough some report little or no difference. It wont make the clutch bite at a different point but made the clutch pedal feel "more natural"...

Maybe worth a try as its free ?

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