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Post by Franzino » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:15 pm

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Here is a personal impression after driving 25.000KM with my MY 2017 M2 (on the street). There is an age difference of 11 years between my Z4M and the M2. You can obviously see and feel the 11 years difference in the powertrain and onboard media. The Z4M is rather old school in this area and the total car feels raw, uncomplicated and from a different generation when comparing it to the M2. I like the "slightly" raw old school feeling of the Z4M and I also like the more modern high tech feeling of the M2. The M2 is a modern sports car, but not to the level that it gets to overcomplicated with to much features and settings or to artificial like with the latest RS4 B8, M3, M4... You can feel that beneath it's artificial extra's (like ASD and auto rev match) the M2 has some old school M-DNA driving pleasure hidden in his roots. It feels like the BMW designers were thinking; let's make this a really fun and not to expensive car with the current resources that we have on our disposal.

Both of my M-cars have a manual gearbox, manual seats, sat nav and audio system upgrade. I have no major complaints about the seating position on both cars or how the interior looks. The look of the exterior of both cars is completely different and they are both beautiful and unique looking cars. They are different then most other cars on the street (especially my Z4M). The M2 is a aggressive looking and sounding little grey beast. It makes no secret of it's performance. My silver Z4M is more of a sexy, stylish sports car that is more subtle sounding and looking. In the looks department, my Z4M is more unique with the really long noise and the short ass. When driving the M2 or Z4M people always react very friendly...for the moment the M2 receives more looks and way more thumbs up then the Z4M. Probably because of the more obvious exhaust sound and the car being rather new and a bit exclusive on the streets for now.

The difference in driving and usage between the M2 and Z4M are certainly big enough to keep the appeal of both and to have both in my garage (for the time being). The Z4M has better steering feel (hydraulic), nicer seamless NA engine response, better clutch feel (certainly when comparing with the standard M2) and of course the possibility to drive with the roof down (when the sun is out). I must say that for an electric powered steering, the steering feel of the M2 in sport mode is really nice. It's one of the best “electric” steering that I have felt in a modern BMW (it is not at Porsche level, but miles better then the first generation F-models M3/M4 and any current Audi RS I have driven). With the M2; the steering feel is more muted and you do not feel the little road imperfections or every inch of what the front tyres are doing like with the Z4M. It's strange to notice this rather well when switching between the two cars. Around the center position of the steering there is also more of a feeling of a death spot with the M2, there is no such thing on the Z4M.

The turn in of the M2 is a bit slower then my Z4M (my Z4M has more front camber then standard) and you have less feeling of what the front wheels are doing. The front end grip and confidence that comes with it is amazing! It’s on a level above the Z4M. I think the grip of the M2 (on dry tarmac) in general is also above my "modified" Z4M. The grip of the M2 is awesome! For reference; both my M-cars are wearing the same Michelin Pilot Supersport tyres in 19" and the settings of my Bilstein PSS-10 suspension on the Z4M is on the softer side. The M2 suspension feels somewhat stiffer then my Z4M, but the damping is better. The M2 feels more balanced and more comfortable on a daily basis, but also more of a handful when driving the car really fast in to slow corners and all the torque (low end power) comes in to play. No worries; when you know this and you need to be a little more easy on the throttle in slow corners then with the Z4M.

The M2 is a more comfortable daily car that is faster, more practical and more modern then my Z4M. I love some of the tech features (like Apple car play, good sat-nav, good hands free). Those are nice features to have on a daily basis, but I also noticed they can distract the driver with to much info coming on the screen or to much to think about. That is something you control yourself and I needed to get used to....because my youngest car I own is from 2006 and rather low tech. I love it when I get into my Z4M that it is so simple and straight forward (for a modern car)...not a lot of buttons or settings. Just turn the key....go and don't think about were did you put your remote (keys), which driver mode are we in, is my Apple car play connected, which source is going to play my music (iPhone, iPod, CD, internal HD, USB, etc). It would be nice if there would be a switch to turn off the ASD and to turn off auto rev match function without turning off the full DSC system. It's not the end off the world and I'm already used to it...but it's not something that you need on the street . For the record; I turned off ASD in my M2 to make the sound inside the car less artificial and more natural sounding. I prefer it without ASD and I’m keeping the M2 this way.

The manual gearbox of the M2 feels that it is designed for people who are not used to driving manuals and IMO it's not the greatest clutch…in standard form. The clutch feel of my Z4M is way better then on the M2. I can shift a lot faster with my Z4M then with my M2 (there is less delay)! The M2 clutch pedal is somewhat sticky (and slow) when you want to release it fast, when going full throttle and wanting to change up gears. The pedal travel is also very long (and soft) with not a lot of feel and comes really high when you release the clutch (a clutch stop can not cure this). IMO it's a big difference with my Z4M and for me the clutch feel of M2 is the only relative big downside that is worth mentioning about the car. I tested two other M2’s with a manual gearbox and they all have the same clutch feeling, so it’s designed this way and not a fault on my car.

I got somewhat used to the clutch feel after driving 2.500km and I could certainly live with it, but for me it is the only thing they could actually really improve on the car…..and I did improve it on my M2! After 3.500km I fitted the UCP replacement clutch pedal and it made most aspects I did not like about the standard M2 clutch go away. This modification is cheap and gives a night and day difference on how the M2 clutch feels. I love it! The gearbox itself feels good and is roughly the same in shift feel (slightly rubbery) as my Z4M. I like the shift feel of the Z4M gearbox a bit more then on the M2. It feels a bit more direct and less rubbery on the Z4M then on the M2.

So why did I not take a DCT/DKG gearbox instead…? I don't want to start this DCT vs manual discussion and you can find my reasons in other topics. It is a personal preference and I know every so called benefit of the awesome fast DCT. For reference; I tested both the DCT and manual M2 and I also lived with a DCT equipped M3 for a week. I know the DCT is not the gearbox for me in this kind of car as my daily driver….I got bored with the DCT in the loan M3 after one week of street driving. If I would buy a new 330i, 330d, 530d, then I would probably spec a automatic gearbox...but not in a thrilling and nimble car like the M2. In the end; I'm very happy I decided to order a manual M2, even that the standard clutch feel was not the best in the world for me. But now with the UCP clutch pedal modification I’m even more happy that I ordered the manual. The manual makes the car so much more fun for me and will keep me more entertained over time. Even if it means that I'm slower on track then the DCT cars. For a track car only I would maybe go for a DCT equipped car, but the M2 is 90% my daily driver that will also see track (mostly Nurburgring).

My Z4M is slightly lower then OEM (Bilstein PSS-10 suspension). I have to be really careful not hitting anything underneath the car or the front bumper when approaching garage entrees, speed bumps or holes in the road. The ride height of the M2 is higher then the Z4M and on a daily basis you can drive without worrying to much about hitting the front bumper or under tray of the M2. I feel myself more relaxed when driving the M2 in city traffic then with the Z4M. But I need to be careful for the size of the M2. The M2 is a lot wider and bigger then my Z4M, it's even slightly bigger then my e46 325i wagon. For me the M2 feels like a big car. I know it's not a really big car, when comparing it to other cars....but I never owned big cars. The size of the M2 is just perfect for me; I don't want a car any bigger then this and for daily usability I don't want my daily any smaller then this. The M2 is 100% the perfect size for my daily usage! The trunk size is also perfect! If I want to transport bigger items then I can use my back seats or fold down the rear seats. Rarely that I have more then two people sitting inside my cars (for example; the rear seats of my 325i wagon used to be always folded down), but it's nice to have the option to fit two people on the back seats if needed.

The non adjustable suspension of the M2 is somewhat the limit of hardness I find acceptable for a daily driver and I have no complaints about the suspension feel. The total M2 package regarding comfort and noise is somewhat right on the edge for my daily usage. I don't like to show off; in city traffic the cold start and exhaust sound (even in comfort) could be a bit less loud for me. The M2 feels as the perfect compromise of a comfortable, everyday useable street car vs really exiting, fast, nimble sports car with a bit of a rough side. I love this best of both worlds…and for me personally I don’t need my “daily” M2 to be louder, faster, much harder or generally more hardcore and more expensive. It’s just perfect in the middle and just awesome in what it does for this amount of money. The adjustable Bilstein suspension of my Z4M is softer then the fixed M2 suspension but feels more uncomfortable (shaky). The grip and balance of the M2 is awesome on the street (dry weather), but the back of the M2 can sometimes feels a bit jumpy and the rear of my Z4M is more stable under full throttle. The standard M2 suspension feels like a good compromis for daily street use and occasional track use. Not to hard to use everyday and just one well thought through non adjustable suspension setting.

The M2 is my first turbocharged engined car I owned myself. When I test drove the M4 in his first building years; I did not like the power delivery, hated the steering feel and disliked the sound. The fact that the M2 does not have the S55 engine is a plus point for me. It sounds so much nicer and power delivery is also better then with the M3/M4. The N55 engine is not a full blown M engine, but a "modified" M2 version of the normal N55 engine. The M2 engine is not that special and IMO it's not going to be remembered as one of the great, iconic BMW M engines. The S54 engine of my Z4M (also fitted in the e46 M3, in modified form in the e46 CSL and in the very last generation of the Z3M) is such a nice and characterful NA engine. The way it revs and sounds (OEM exhaust) is so nice and creates a unique feeling. If possible I would always like to have a car with a high revving NA engine in my garage. It's so nice to pull al the way to the redline in this screaming metallic sounding beast. It's something a turbocharged engine can never deliver...but those engines have other nice features like the massive amount of low end torque and the feel of instant power on almost the full rev range. I never thought I would say this; but on a daily basis in traffic I like the turbocharged M2 engine more then my NA Z4M engine. The torque is so nice and fun in traffic….but on track or wide open mountain roads is nicer to have a high revving NA engine.

When accelerating really fast you can feel the turbo lag and the M2 engine need's a fraction of a second to get back on power. It is not as lineair and seamless power delivery as in a NA engine. You also feel the turbo lag more with the 6 speed manual then with the faster shifting 7 speed DCT. Once you’ve got over the fun of the forceful, torque-rich power delivery of a turbo motor, a similarly powerful non-turbo engine is just more enjoyable to pull to the red line. The soundtrack, the way the rate of acceleration builds and builds in one seamless flow throughout the rev range, the drama of the delivery right at the top end… It’s no contest, a powerful high revving NA engine will always win the drama prize.

If I could only have one car; I would 100% take the M2 over the Z4M…it’s good & fun on track and it’s practical & fun as a daily on the street. To me; the Z4M is more of a special car for special occasions, that I don’t want to drive everyday. For me; the M2 can not replace my Z4M...my Z4M still feels special and unique to me.... Honestly; I can not see me selling my Z4M roadster and the only car I would ever sell it for is a Porsche GT4, GT3 or a Lotus Exige. My Z4M was my first M car that I bought, it is modified and set-up exactly how I want it (CSL wheels, AP brakes, Bilstein suspension) and I'm emotionally attached to it. The M2 feels also special, it's awesome to drive on a daily basis and it is still really useful. It is the perfect "more modern" addition, not replacement. I love them both very deeply and both deliver so much driving fun in their own way! I'm very fortunate and grateful that I have those two great M-cars in my garage and For the time being I will keep enjoying both of them :)

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Post by buzyg » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:45 pm

Well worth taking the time to read. :thumbsup:
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Post by FD3S » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:33 pm

buzyg wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:45 pm Well worth taking the time to read. :thumbsup:
indeed. nice post!

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Post by Twin Turbo » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:06 pm

Many thanks for the great write up,

As the M2 is the most likely contender to replace my E89

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Post by Mr Tidy » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:10 pm

Yes, a really useful insight. :thumbsup:

Just a thought on the slow clutch release on your M2, but does it have a Clutch Delay Valve like the E85s & 86s? If it does it should improve no end if you get the CDV removed - I had the CDV taken out of my E46 last month and it is so much better now!
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Post by Franzino » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:26 pm

Mr Tidy wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:10 pm Yes, a really useful insight. :thumbsup:

Just a thought on the slow clutch release on your M2, but does it have a Clutch Delay Valve like the E85s & 86s? If it does it should improve no end if you get the CDV removed - I had the CDV taken out of my E46 last month and it is so much better now!
M2 = NO CDV

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Post by Mr Tidy » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 pm

Franzino wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:26 pmM2 = NO CDV
Right, I wasn't sure. (And like you I would still want a manual on a car like that). :thumbsup:

Glad you are enjoying them both. :driving:
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Post by 2dogs » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 pm

Top write up :thumbsup: would love an M2 but too much at the moment maybe in a year or two :driving:
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Post by Mad Professor » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:00 pm

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Post by Swiftly » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:06 pm

Nice write up and comparison :thumbsup:
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Post by BMWZ4MC » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:02 am

Great write up :thumbsup:
It’s interesting that the M2 is uncommon in Europe. I see a couple a day on average in Sydney. Similarly, I see two or three RS3s a day. They’re probably the same cars most days and they are in the more affluent areas, but they both out-number M4s by a long way.
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Post by stevo///m3 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:25 pm

Nice write-up Franzino, interesting thoughts, desperately need to find some more space if I have the let the Z take a back seat, too unique to give up!
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Post by Attilio » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:07 am

Yes, very nice post Franzino! The Z4M is my first M car and I still don’t know it well yet I’m already captivated by it.
I drove M4 and M2 on track and I would probably buy the M2 over the M4...not sure I would sell the Z :wink:

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Post by kis » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:41 am

Very nice post, interesting comparison between the two, with nice highlights of each car.
Slightly jealous that you get to own two M's! Enjoy them :driving:
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