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Post by Fishy Dave » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:35 pm

I've been running Pagid RS29 pads in AP Calipers for the past 10 months and considering they were second hand when I bought them they've lasted 6k miles including 6 or 7 trackdays/sessions (Castle Combe x3 or 4, Thruxton, 'Ring, Snetterton, Hullavington). 8)
Their performance on track is astonishing, they have never faded and haul the car up exceptionally well. However, they are compromised on the road, squealing/shrieking at the tops of their voice when stopping gently in traffic, making a lot of dust and being too grabby from cold. Heel and toe is a challenge on the road when driving at a normal pace, usually involving a bit of a lurch. My wife also hated the strength of the brakes after driving her car for a month or two (Fiat Panda 100HP).

A new set for front and rear would have been just under £500 delivered, so time to try something else. I got a very good discount going direct to EBC and chose Blue Stuff NDX, which came in at around £140 delivered! At that price they are never going to be as good but I could forgive a loss in outright performance if they stayed silent and were more progressive on the road. They arrived in good time, and I fitted them just over a week ago along with new BMW rear discs (same worn front PF discs on AP bells). The pads slotted straight in with no modifications and sweep the full braking surface.

A cross country Wales and Anglesey trip took place this weekend (more on this later, I'll start a new thread), so bedding in took place on the drive up there, with no problems to report and glorious silence at all times.
On track they were as predicted, not as strong as the RS29, but performed well enough in 15-20 minute sessions. Anglesey is quite hard on brakes for our heavy cars with a few big stops and not a great deal of time to cool. It was a busy day with lots of traffic which meant braking at unusual times and perhaps more than would be needed on a clear track. On one occasion whilst leading (and trying to get away from) Tom's Z4M I carried a lot of speed through the right hand kink (130mph) and tried to brake in the short straight before Rocket. I'd left the braking too late and over-ran, keeping the car straight, thankfully there is a tarmac run off so I turned around to face a surprised looking Tom driving towards me, before I re-joined the track. :D I'd initially felt that the pads had faded, with no ABS intervention despite a firm pedal and very firm pressing from me, but on listening to the video the ABS was fine, I was just being unrealistic at how short a distance I could stop. Still, no harm done, a couple of cool down laps and all was fine for the rest of the day.

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Very strong, fade free performance, long lasting, an excellent track and race pad
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Cost, dust, noise, sharp on the road

EBC Blue Stuff NDX
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Good, progressive performance for the price, silent, low dust, cheap, a very good road and track pad
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Requires a little more pedal effort, not quite as sharp feeling when first pressing the pedal.

Edited on the strength of video evidence that shows that the fade I thought I experienced was simply down to optimistic braking distance, my fault!
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Post by Ewazix » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:43 pm

Really balanced and useful write-up with the pro's and con's, so often people blindly big-up the kit they have just spent money on :thumbsup:
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Post by ga41 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:10 pm

Very useful info! :thumbsup: I am also considering the same switch for my Stoptech BBK
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Post by TomK » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:10 pm

Great weekend dave! I've got a little vid of this somewhere... :P Was amusing for sure, but I think the first time ever I've seen you outbrake yourself.
To be fair to the bluestuff, on that lap you had an excellent exit onto the preceding straight and did brake extremely late. You were asking a lot of them.
To be fair to the RS-29s I've never had them squeal, through one set of brand new pads and one set of part worn.
My friend richard however, does suffer the same as you do, drives him up the wall!
I've spoken to Simpsons about this as they have installed probably 100s of sets of these calipers and pads, it appears to be pot luck or not whether they squeal.
I guess an important factor in the comparison is to see how long the blue stuff lasts. Keep this updated
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Post by Beedub » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:20 pm

interesting read OP.... very interesting...

so how do you order for the AP setup?? link??? did they slot in correctly with no fitment issues and is the compound paintwork corrosive ( some very much are)

i could be tempted to have a go at that price..... I've slagged these guys off but... maybe i need to give them another chance.
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Post by Fishy Dave » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:12 pm

Beedub wrote:interesting read OP.... very interesting...

so how do you order for the AP setup?? link??? did they slot in correctly with no fitment issues and is the compound paintwork corrosive ( some very much are)

i could be tempted to have a go at that price..... I've slagged these guys off but... maybe i need to give them another chance.
I will send you a pm for how to order them. Yes, they fit perfectly, no need to remove any material and the area they sweep on the discs is identical to the Pagid. Maybe too early to tell if the compound is corrosive but nothing I have noticed so far. I should have taken a close up photo of the wheels but this pic was taken right at the end of the trackday and the wheels are much lighter than usual (less dust).

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Post by Fishy Dave » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:44 pm

TomK wrote:Great weekend dave! I've got a little vid of this somewhere... :P Was amusing for sure, but I think the first time ever I've seen you outbrake yourself.
To be fair to the bluestuff, on that lap you had an excellent exit onto the preceding straight and did brake extremely late. You were asking a lot of them.
Hi Tom,

You are right, having watched the clip from onboard and from your following car I will edit my review accordingly. Short of lobbing an anchor out the back I was never going to stop from 130mph to 25mph in that distance!!! Well, I have to try to find a way to make a gap when being chased by the Blue Menace! :D I can also confirm having listened to my video that my ABS was working just fine, I could hear the tyres chirping, therefore it was purely down to my last minute braking. I still stand by my view that they are not as sharp or effective as the RS29s when very hot (requiring more pedal pressure) but reassuring to know that they didn't fade as I first thought.

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Post by RedUn » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:28 pm

Try some carbotechs if you get a chance ive found them excellent in the past and great value for money.
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Post by Fishy Dave » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:47 pm

RedUn wrote:Try some carbotechs if you get a chance ive found them excell in the past and great value for money.
For the AP's? If so any idea of price for a full set? :)
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Post by RedUn » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:18 pm

I would guess at ~300 for a set, give them a bell they are very good :thumbsup:
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Post by Fishy Dave » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:30 am

An update after a month of use, I'm still very happy with the Blue Stuff. Not a sound out of them, very little dust (doesn't seem to be corrosive either) and plenty of power hot or cold but not too grabby.

Downsides? I've found a couple, firstly I fitted the new pads at the same time as new BMW rear discs and the rears don't sweep the full area, missing a portion in the centre as if the pads are concave (will post a photo to better explain).
Secondly, after washing the car I must go for a drive to dry the discs and pads or else they bond themselves together after a few days making a hell of a clang when driving off.
These have represented excellent value for money so far. :)
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Post by Franzino » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:15 pm

Good to hear that the Bluestuff is rather ok. Would you als trust the EBC pads when driving here?


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Post by Fishy Dave » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:42 pm

Very nice video and driving there. :thumbsup:

Yes, I would, I don't find the Ring as harsh on brakes compared to short circuits, where there is less time for pads to cool between heavy braking areas. The Pagid is a better track pad, but for dual road/track use I prefer the last sharp, quieter, cheaper EBC for now. :)
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Post by Argenta » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:43 pm

Agreed, even EBC Yellowstuff worked ok on Nurburgring Nordschleife on my old car (Fiat Coupe). One month later I drove on Mantorp Track in Sweden and they just completely fell apart, literally.

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