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Dilemma.. Z4M or a Z4 3.5is ???

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Dilemma.. Z4M or a Z4 3.5is ???

Post by sunnydays » Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:15 am

D4dawg wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:50 am Hahahahah @ sunny

E89 sterile yes quick
Exciting I think not
Rewarding again I think not unless have ability to turn entire traction control off I doubt it
Values going to hold, never as it's not an M
Z4ms dated? I also disagree nothing to do with my owning one, but e89 looks like a computer got bored

Z4M will as is a classic in the making it's the last inline 6
N/A engine so it is and will continue to rise
An e89 with the 35i engine will sink like a stone after 5 years

True we are bias hence we love our cars but to come swinging in with butthurt remarks won't help your kit gain you any friends

As I see around 20 e89s EVERY SINGLE DAY and let's face it I can't tell the base model from the top nor do I actually have any interest upon doing so

An M go look at The post how many have you seen
We owners actively look for other Z4Ms and don't see them !
No need to come accross all defensive, I am not making butthurt remarks anywhere lol. The first 3 points are objective facts. The next few are opinion based or based on others but that is clearly stated.

Your first point calling the E89 sterile but quick, yet the Z4M rewarding is a more defensive bias version of what I have written above. The 35is is a comfortable cruiser with power on tap..... the Z4M a corner carver at the track while shifting manual.... 2 different cars both great.

The Z4M may well be the last NA inline six but the M3 is the last NA V8 BMW may produce yet its values are still slowly declining. What I dont understand is why people think the Z4M is guaranteed to rise in value, based on what?

You see 20 E89s every day. Thats the equivalent of me saying I see 100 E85s or E86s everyday. I may well but they arent the M. And lets be reallistic its not like you can easily tell the M apart unless you are directly behind it.

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Post by john-e89 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:28 am

Hey Gramps,

D4dawg is a true defender of the realm and if you said an M was the best car in the world bar none he'd disagree and argue it's better than that.... :lol: :wink:

It's all been said already, try both. Chalk and cheese.

Very simply do you want to cruise in a powerful GT car with a level of comfort and refinement an M cannot get near, or do you want to go gung ho around the twisties with a level of excitement and manual driving a 35is cannot get near.

Each car WILL do the other task, but nowhere near to the extent that each will do what they were designed for.

Values? It ain't worth worrying about in retirement is it, just enjoy the choice you make. Personally I think the 35is will keep a decent level in a few years due mainly to rarity, 6 pots, and a DCT, they will keep a following even without the 'hallowed' badge. But who knows, does it matter?

Just popping back to the chalk and cheese thing, it's surprising how wide the gap is between the two given they are very close in size dimensions, and both have power a plenty.

One is a sports car, one definately isn't. The die hard M boys shouldn't really kick the 35is so much though, it was never designed to be raw or compete with sports cars, nor should 35is owners say it's as good as an M, they're too different. All just imo obviously.

Best of luck, let us know how you get on, this is a rumbling debate that I doubt will ever be settled... :lol:
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Post by D4dawg » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:08 am

Haha me?;)

V8 is not a purists recognised engine the bmw brand is sonoymous with the inline 6 of which S54 in z4ms are the last hence will continue to rise and hold

They are 2 completely different cars once focused upon being a track based road car and other a great gt car

Specs 0-60 4.8 Is
4.9M both of which are quicker in real life

I love these debates haha

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha

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Post by Fishy Dave » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:12 am

sunnydays wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:15 am What I dont understand is why people think the Z4M is guaranteed to rise in value, based on what?
No-one can guarantee what may happen to the values in the future but M's have been on the rise slowly for the last two or 3 years. :)
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Post by mr wilks » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:24 am

sunnydays wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:15 am What I dont understand is why people think the Z4M is guaranteed to rise in value, based on what?
Based on having to pay marginally more each year to buy a car that gets older :?
It may only be small % per year but its still increasing as opposed to being able to buy at less money as a car gets older which would be the norm for 95% of cars (35Is included :cry: )
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Post by john-e89 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am

[quote=D4dawg

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha
[/quote]

Yeah but both are pretty hot....you definately would... :wink:
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Post by Pastry » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:30 am

john-e89 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am [quote=D4dawg

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha
Yeah but both are pretty hot....you definately would... :wink:
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But would they John? :wink: :rofl:
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Post by john-e89 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:34 am

Pastry wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:30 am
john-e89 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am [quote=D4dawg

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha
Yeah but both are pretty hot....you definately would... :wink:
But would they John? :wink: :rofl:
[/quote]

With 5'6" of rippling Adonis how could they refuse..?


Actually no...no they wouldn't.... :oops:
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Post by D4dawg » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:34 am

john-e89 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am [quote=D4dawg

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha
Yeah but both are pretty hot....you definately would... :wink:
[/quote]

Hahahahha
Love it hahaha

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Post by D4dawg » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:35 am

Pastry wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:30 am
john-e89 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am [quote=D4dawg

Ps e89 was designed by 2 females;)
Just saying haha
Yeah but both are pretty hot....you definately would... :wink:
But would they John? :wink: :rofl:
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And we'll your just you hahaha
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Post by john-e89 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:38 am

:roll: Well Monday morning and another thread has gone to s**t again...welcome to the forum Gramps.... :lol:
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Post by D4dawg » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:42 am

john-e89 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:38 am :roll: Well Monday morning and another thread has gone to s**t again...welcome to the forum Gramps.... :lol:
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Post by Z4M-2006 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:00 am

Ive had both and it totally depends on what you want to use the car for..

Z4M is a great car ruined by substandard suspension,be prepared to have your teeth shaken out on all but anything but the smoothest roads.
Some dont get on with the gearbox and clutch feel,i find its ok but takes a bit of learning.

Speed... Similar but the 35is has bags more torque everywhere..If driving at 10/10th's everywhere then there is hardly nowt in it,as an everyday kind of driver the 35is has it.

Tech... 35is hands down..Z4M feels antiquated in comparison. Again it depends if these are important.

Handling.. Z4M wins here,not by much though.The crap suspension starts to make sense when really pressing on,hitting a grid or a pothole under hard cornering makes for an underpant splattering experience though. At the end of the day its just E46 suspension and has a lot of lateral movement in the rear arms.. 35is comes with adaptive suspension as standard and is excellent in most area's,just on the ragged edge the Z4M pips it... Also helped by the M car being a tadge lighter i think.

Running costs...35is wins.... Cheaper in everyway to run and maintain... tax and insurance also saved me around £300 annualy iirc..

Interior.... 35is wins it for me,better seat,dash arragement,audio and tech..


Depreciation.... Z4M will win here,if you buy in at the right money of course. Prices are holding steady and any M car is a decent drivable investment. If your thinking of spending early £20k's then i would expect the 35is to shed a grand a year for a few years yet..


Both are superb cars,you have a hard choice..

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Post by monkadill » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:10 am

///M all the way for me.

Which one do you like the look of as well?
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Post by D4dawg » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:16 am

sunnydays wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:15 am
D4dawg wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:50 am Hahahahah
No need to come accross all defensive, I am not making butthurt remarks anywhere lol.
Ps I'm only messing buddy :)
So please don't take offence !

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