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Unitedleeds1919 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 3:26 am

Dave1971 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:26 am

coldel wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:13 am From what I read the batteries on EVs, like any battery device take your mobile phone for example, degrade over time. Something like 2-3% a year by all accounts depending on use and brand etc. So after ten years yes your battery wont 'fail' but the range on your EV if it were 200 miles will now be around 140-160 miles for example.

I would definitely consider an EV for the boring driving, the about town driving picking up my son from football etc. the only problems I have are that I live in zone 3 London we have no driveway and often cannot park outside our own house - charging will be a complete hit and miss. There are charging bays in roads about 10 mins drive away but they are often full - I noticed EV cars often parked there for over 24 hours they use it as free parking which is annoying. To own an EV where I live I would have to take into account that I am going to have to drive past a petrol station and out to find charge points and sit there for however long waiting for it to charge.

Its ironic really that the best place to own an EV is more suburban areas, where driveways are more accessible but also less densely populated and probably not as prone to pollution issues. In the city where they are needed most, is the hardest place to own them unless you are very wealthy and lucky enough to own a big house.

You see this is a classic example of one of the myths about batteries that perpetuate on the Internet. The battery in your phone is completely unmanaged so does degrade by around 2-3% per year. In battery terms things like phones get abused, almost always being charged to 100% (ofter daily), almost always rapid charged, no thermal management system to stop them getting too hot or cold.

Not of these things are true with regards to EV batteries, with the exception of no thermal management on the early Nissan Leaf. EV batteries also have a built in buffer, our Skoda has an 82 kwh battery, only 77 kwh can be used. This stops the battery being stressed by being charged/depleted to its maximum.

Tesla batteries have been around the longest and their average drop off is 1-1.5% per year but then levels off to almost 0 when it gets to 90% of its original capacity. There are Tesla taxi's out there with 500,000 miles on the original battery.

I do agree that the infrastructure in urban areas is not good enough, but that's not an EV issue that's a government/local council not getting their s**t together issue. If they want us all to get on board then they need to provide infrastructure for people who can't charge at home.

Some councils are better than others. Quite a few are trialing a type of cable channel that will allow a cable to be run across a footpath if for example you live in a terraced house. I know I doesn't stop someone else parking in front of your house but it all helps.

Don't forget we've had around 140 years of refinement gone into building ICE car infrastructure, we've only had around 10 years for EV's.

Tesla taxis? Every taxi driver I have spoken to whilst been driven in their hybrid has said you cannot do a taxi drivers shift in an electric car, it has to be hybrid and I have spoken to many taxi drivers.

Nanu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:00 pm We keep hearing that EV sales are steadily increasing but I always wonder what percentage of these figures are private buyers and how many are businesses boosting the numbers.

pvr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 10:21 pm Yep, I bought it and would only buy it as a business and would not dream of getting one privately.

Nanu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:00 pm Spookily just been speaking to a taxi driver today on this very matter.

He said all the Newcastle airport taxis that tried EV have reverted back to petrol because they are impractical especially if two drivers are car sharing as it takes too long to recharge

We keep hearing that EV sales are steadily increasing but I always wonder what percentage of these figures are private buyers and how many are businesses boosting the numbers.

Nanu wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:50 pm Anyone know someone who has tried to sell an EV second-hand?

Just wondering what the typical depreciation is after about 4/5 years