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CarPlay Upgrades

BeardyJon

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Edinburgh
So my Z was in the stealers for the last 4 weeks and they gave me a 2024 X3 while it was away, and I really liked having CarPlay, so I want to get upgraded.

I've read through the various threads on the topic, and know of the Mr12Volt and Android screen options. BUT, has anyone taken the plunge on the newer android screens?

AliExpress has this 12.3" option on offer and it looks made for the E89 but, obviously its a big chunk of money to lay out for something like this and with it being a newer option, was wondering if anyone had any experience with it?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007508597527.html

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Not seen that one specifically, I have the mr12volt option as I wanted to keep the car looking at stock as possible.

Is that one a replacement for the built in screen? I assume it's more for the cars that don't have iDrive.
 
Yeah it replaces the OE iDrive screen, which would be a plus for me as 1) its very dim, and 2) I managed to scratch it a little when cleaning it :(
 
I read a post somewhere where an owner installed one of these but disliked the size, so managed to get it exchanged for the normal 10" version. Thinking about this, the 10" is just clear of the bonnet line, ie; when seated for an average height driver it is not obstructive of the road. If you increase this size it is going to start getting in the way to some extent.
I have installed a couple of the Android screens recently that have the newer OS (same graphics as your picture) and they look really nice :thumbsup:
You are going to loose the option of closing the screen with one of these.
There is now a third option with these screens, it's a 10" but sits more outside of the dash, a bit like a floating screen.

I would normally say about fitting an mmi box, but if you've scratched your screen then yes an Android screen would be an option. Although you can pick up a replacement OE screen for £300 and the Mr12volt is £345, so £645 is less than an Android screen and you retain all OE functionality :thumbsup:
 
The floating one is an interesting suggestion. For me the 10" screen that sits in the big hole that removing the storage bin/folding drive screen leaves just looks a bit janky. I'm not concerned about folding the screen away really as I never do, and eventually that motor is going to give up - it struggles in the cold weather so I can't see it lasting much longer.

These Android screens are about £350 on AliExpress at the moment so not a huge layout compared to Mr12Volt which is why they piqued my interest. I wasn't sure on whether the size would be a problem or not. I've seen some 15" screens on Youtube that people have said are too big and they sent them back so yeah the size of them is a concerning factor.

What's the deal with the MOST connection thing? I know I've read things about it on here but can't find where. I definitely don't want to buy a thing with rubbish audio quality.
 
I bought the 12.3” version..it’s way too big for the E89..it blocks forward vision as it sits too high..all IMHO…

I swapped it out for the 10.5 version which is just ok..

I’ll fit it this winter..

Frankly the Mr 12 Volt works so so well I’m not sure apart from some redundancy what it will give me…

I may de-install it ..


We’ll see
 

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BeardyJon said:
The floating one is an interesting suggestion. For me the 10" screen that sits in the big hole that removing the storage bin/folding drive screen leaves just looks a bit janky. I'm not concerned about folding the screen away really as I never do, and eventually that motor is going to give up - it struggles in the cold weather so I can't see it lasting much longer.

These Android screens are about £350 on AliExpress at the moment so not a huge layout compared to Mr12Volt which is why they piqued my interest. I wasn't sure on whether the size would be a problem or not. I've seen some 15" screens on Youtube that people have said are too big and they sent them back so yeah the size of them is a concerning factor.

What's the deal with the MOST connection thing? I know I've read things about it on here but can't find where. I definitely don't want to buy a thing with rubbish audio quality.


The Mr12 volt plays audio through the cars MOST data bus which guarantees the best possible playback ..on many cars the aux audio quality varies from poor to ok..many other MMI only route via aux..

The android head units vary enormously in playback quality..they all only play via aux normally..

Some rarely play via a DAC via a USB to give great quality but that still needs an aux feed as above..

The unit I chose also does USB to USB so that is effectively as good as MOST
 
i have no idrive but have also been curious about carplay in my z, would i also need to purchase a idrive controller for this to function? how do you determine the type of audio connection for each box? thanks in advance!
 
bucketlover said:
i have no idrive but have also been curious about carplay in my z, would i also need to purchase a idrive controller for this to function? how do you determine the type of audio connection for each box? thanks in advance!

So depending on where you are looking to buy an Android screen, it may give you options, one of which will be something like "Screen" or "No Screen", this simply means "does it currently have a screen?". So what this means is that if it has a screen already (as in you currently have iDrive) then they don't supply a controller, if it doesn't currently have a screen (standard radio) then this comes with the copy iDrive controller :thumbsup:
There will be other options (possibly!) as well for which operating system (Android 10 or 11) and the amount of RAM etc. The lesser versions will be cheaper, ie; Android 10, no controller and the lower RAM will be cheaper. Also where/how you buy it, Aliexpress for instance, if it's a Drop-shipper (someone who is just placing adverts but the orders all come from another central warehouse with no connection directly to the seller) then they just sell, you don't get any form of back up, no updates, no technical assistance and probably if it comes down to it no warranty if you needed it! Hence the cheaper price. But also possibly not as good a quality product as well.

As for the type of audio connection, with my knowledge of what I've seen over the years with these MMI boxes and the Android screens I can safely say they are all using the AUX connection, with the only exception I'm aware of being the Mr12volt MMI. BUT.....

There is an option here, and this is the Xcarlink BMW MMI MOST Fiber Optic Aux In Interface...
https://www.xcarlink.co.uk/bmw-ccc-cic-mmi-most-fiber-optic-aux-in-interface.html

What this does is to allow you to plug your AUX output from something like the Android screen (any AUX!) and convert it to the correct MOST output signal to act as the CDC (same way the Mr12volt does). This may require some coding of the headunit (ie; VO code 672 CDC adding to the car) unless you currently have a CDC, then you'd have a much better audio signal.

Don't get me wrong though, when I had my screen and the first MMI box they both had the AUX input. With this I had a very good sound input that I had absolutely no issues with. Most of the issues people have are not the fact that it's via AUX, it's that they have a bad connection. The AUX socket is open to atmosphere, so this can be moisture, dirt or anything that can go into the socket, this can lead to bad connections and even Verdigris (that green stuff that can cover the contacts). So cleaning the socket with switch cleaner can help.
I went down another route though, as I do :rofl: , there are two types of the AUX/USB socket. The normal version (single AUX input) and the double which is a stealth one where the second input is from the Media phone holder directly into the rear of the socket. So what I did was to use this second input to solder a short length of audio cable with a AUX socket on the end, then plugged my AUX input, from the MMI, into this. This was then placed under the centre console out of sight. This free's up the original socket that can still be used for anything else, but, more importantly, it'll give you a new, clean socket for best connection. Well it certainly worked for me at the time, and mine is still there although I no longer use it.
 
While on the topic of audio and Android screens, a previous owner removed the standard "Professional" radio from my Z and replaced it with a Pioneer unit with fold out screen (which actually works really nicely, also has some adaptor for both the PDC audio and steering wheel controls, so everything still works as it should), but the screen does block the climate controls when out. I've been eyeing these Android screens for a while but none of them appear to have any "audio" capability (as in they must be used with an existing radio).

Is there something you can run standalone so I can remove the Pioneer and just have the "screen" on the dash?
 
rafcom said:
While on the topic of audio and Android screens, a previous owner removed the standard "Professional" radio from my Z and replaced it with a Pioneer unit with fold out screen (which actually works really nicely, also has some adaptor for both the PDC audio and steering wheel controls, so everything still works as it should), but the screen does block the climate controls when out. I've been eyeing these Android screens for a while but none of them appear to have any "audio" capability (as in they must be used with an existing radio).

Is there something you can run standalone so I can remove the Pioneer and just have the "screen" on the dash?
In short, NO. none that I'm aware of.
You can remove the Pioneer and replace it with a standard headunit radio. £55 buys you a decent OE headunit (with the better built-in amplifier). For AUX input you can get away without any coding, although if you have OE PDC then I'd recommend it (but could always ask the seller if they know whether the car had PDC it came from!).
Also doing it this way guarantees that everything is OE and all works as it should.
 
B21 said:
I bought the 12.3” version..it’s way too big for the E89..it blocks forward vision as it sits too high..all IMHO…

I swapped it out for the 10.5 version which is just ok..

I’ll fit it this winter..

Frankly the Mr 12 Volt works so so well I’m not sure apart from some redundancy what it will give me…

I may de-install it ..


We’ll see

The one pictured here, is that the 10.5" version? Looks like it fits alright.
 
The big thing the android screens gives you over the Mr12 Volt is touchscreen - and a brighter screen.

I have the standard iDrive screen & it could use being a bit bigger & brighter, plus some of the bits I need to use would be simpler if it was touch enabled.

I'm on the fence & don't want to fck up the originality for when I sell it - but if I had a no screen e89, then the bigger android screen would be a no brainer.
 
matsmith749 said:
The big thing the android screens gives you over the Mr12 Volt is touchscreen - and a brighter screen.

I have the standard iDrive screen & it could use being a bit bigger & brighter, plus some of the bits I need to use would be simpler if it was touch enabled.

I'm on the fence & don't want to fck up the originality for when I sell it - but if I had a no screen e89, then the bigger android screen would be a no brainer.
Brighter screen... You can raise the brightness level in both iDrive and Mr12volt (in fact all MMI's I've seen allow this).
iDrive menu;
Settings > Control Display
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And in Mr12volt;
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As for the screen replacement, it's all plug-n-play, so as long as you keep your existing OE screen, when it comes to selling the car you simply replace it back to OE :thumbsup:
 
BeardyJon said:
B21 said:
I bought the 12.3” version..it’s way too big for the E89..it blocks forward vision as it sits too high..all IMHO…

I swapped it out for the 10.5 version which is just ok..

I’ll fit it this winter..

Frankly the Mr 12 Volt works so so well I’m not sure apart from some redundancy what it will give me…

I may de-install it ..


We’ll see

The one pictured here, is that the 10.5" version? Looks like it fits alright.

No that’s the 12” version..imho it’s way too big for an e89 cabin..but of course it’s your choice
 
matsmith749 said:
The big thing the android screens gives you over the Mr12 Volt is touchscreen - and a brighter screen.

I have the standard iDrive screen & it could use being a bit bigger & brighter, plus some of the bits I need to use would be simpler if it was touch enabled.

I'm on the fence & don't want to fck up the originality for when I sell it - but if I had a no screen e89, then the bigger android screen would be a no brainer.

True that if you don’t have idrive then it’s a great way to get round that problem..

Trouble with touch screen is finger prints and in the e89 you can’t easily reach it when seated properly..most offerings have a pseudo idrive controller knob..

The car play interface is so well thought out that it just works so well on the idrive screen…

I did set up the android screen and ran either android apps or car play and frankly the ground didn’t move..very little net improvement over MMI /car play / idrive
 
AnubisZed said:
Brighter screen... You can raise the brightness level in both iDrive and Mr12volt (in fact all MMI's I've seen allow this).
iDrive menu;
Settings > Control Display
20240920_112757.jpg

And in Mr12volt;
20240920_112823.jpg
My brightness is turned all the way up and on bright sunny days with the roof down, it’s nearly impossible to see whats on screen. Maybe LCI improved the brightness?

B21 said:
No that’s the 12” version..imho it’s way too big for an e89 cabin..but of course it’s your choice

Hmmm maybe. Hard to tell if not sitting right in front of it and getting the drivers POV
 
BeardyJon said:
AnubisZed said:
Brighter screen... You can raise the brightness level in both iDrive and Mr12volt (in fact all MMI's I've seen allow this).
iDrive menu;
Settings > Control Display
20240920_112757.jpg

And in Mr12volt;
20240920_112823.jpg
My brightness is turned all the way up and on bright sunny days with the roof down, it’s nearly impossible to see whats on screen. Maybe LCI improved the brightness?

B21 said:
No that’s the 12” version..imho it’s way too big for an e89 cabin..but of course it’s your choice

Hmmm maybe. Hard to tell if not sitting right in front of it and getting the drivers POV

Well just buy one :thumbsup:
 
BeardyJon said:
My brightness is turned all the way up and on bright sunny days with the roof down, it’s nearly impossible to see whats on screen. Maybe LCI improved the brightness?
Hmmm, yeah could be an issue with the screen. Don't know what improvements were made for the headunit or screen, but there are firmware updates from time to time, C1A is the latest level for the headunit but my screen is just as bright as before mine was updated. It could just be something wrong with the screen pcb.
 
i can see the benefits of the android screen, bigger, clearer, touch screen etc but for me i wanted to keep it as original as i could. Not had any issues with brightness and i don think i have changed from default but i guess it could be an issue on a sunny day with the roof down (not had that problem personally though).

I dont have any issues with using the iDrive, yes it can be fiddly sometimes when trying to get onto a certain option but that is only really in the satnav as there are a lot of options to scroll through. All the other apps i use are fine and only have 4 or 5 options to scroll through on each page. Also the ergonomics of the seating position etc make it very easy.

If you live close to anyone who has either installed in an e89 then maybe you can take a look at it first hand before making your choice.
 
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