Recently, I had an idea of trading in my m40i for a 992 gen 911 S cab (used obviously, also older than my 2021 m40i). Obviously, it's two completely different level cars but my purpose of use for both cars are actually the same. I really enjoy my m40i so far and don't mind keep driving it for longer. However, the hype of 911 being the ultimate sport car keeps going on in my head. I really want to try it but not sure whether I will regret. Afterall, it's a very expensive car. I remember there are some current or ex porsche owners here. So, can anyone give some comment on whether it worth to spend £60-70k for the part exchange?
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Trade in G29 for a 911?
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I had a 982 Boxster S, then a 991.2 911 GTS cabrio and was eying a GT3. It was not good. I sold the 911 and bought a Z4 M40i.
TBH, when you buy a Porsche you feel compelled to drive fast and track it. It was addictive. The problem, too fast to enjoy on public roads and every other plonker in a sporty car wanted to race. I had some near calls leaving them in the dust and lots of speeding fines (even with Waze). Bottom line, the 911 was too much of a car for me. I am 60.
The Z4 cost me less than half of what the dealer paid me when I sold the 911 (same year). The Z4 is not half the car.
But IMO, the 911 is a completely different car. It is a really fast sports car, not that the M40i is a slouch. IIRC, the 992 S has the same power as my 991.2 GTS 331kW/550NM), so apart from the suspension and GTS 'bells', you will have the same. I believe the build quality on the 992 is not as good as a 991, but I think it is a better looking car.
Do I miss the Porsche brand, sure (I have lots of Porsche branded stuff I am not sure what to do with
I still browse the CPO 911's, but I can't see myself spending that much money for what is supposed to be my 'fun' 2nd car. Or get a 10yo car for more than the Z4. Not for me.
You might be completely different.
TBH, when you buy a Porsche you feel compelled to drive fast and track it. It was addictive. The problem, too fast to enjoy on public roads and every other plonker in a sporty car wanted to race. I had some near calls leaving them in the dust and lots of speeding fines (even with Waze). Bottom line, the 911 was too much of a car for me. I am 60.
The Z4 cost me less than half of what the dealer paid me when I sold the 911 (same year). The Z4 is not half the car.
But IMO, the 911 is a completely different car. It is a really fast sports car, not that the M40i is a slouch. IIRC, the 992 S has the same power as my 991.2 GTS 331kW/550NM), so apart from the suspension and GTS 'bells', you will have the same. I believe the build quality on the 992 is not as good as a 991, but I think it is a better looking car.
Do I miss the Porsche brand, sure (I have lots of Porsche branded stuff I am not sure what to do with
I still browse the CPO 911's, but I can't see myself spending that much money for what is supposed to be my 'fun' 2nd car. Or get a 10yo car for more than the Z4. Not for me.You might be completely different.
I love 911s and I would say yes it is worth it. Monetarily maybe not but the experience is, in the nicest way the 911 is a step up in all respects from the G29, especially where you sit. Luxurious, fast and comfortable it sits in that niche spot and is more of a GT than sports car just like the G29.
The convertible isnt the best variant, unlike the Z that was designed to be a roadster the 911 wasnt and you can feel it. Its a completely different model and old but I had a 996 4s convertible and it was heavy and you could feel it but the experience was great and I tended to drive it like a GT whereas the Z4M I have is much more raw and connected. Im sure the newer ones are much better from that perspective but it is worth baring in mind you can't defy the laws of physics and the 996 4s was about 18-1900kg for an old car it was a lot to lug around and it obviously had the 4wd system too which isnt the best experience either the RWD cars are more purist but I love the wide body look and in the winter it literally got everywhere.
This was new years day and me and my dad went for a drive up Hartside which isnt far from my family home and had a blast... the Z4m was all over the place the 996 was planted and inspiring... niche conditions and im sure lots probably are itching because there is snow... I like to drive them all year round.
I have experience with the 996 4S, 997.1 CS coupe, 991.1 CS coupe, 987.1 BoxS and the 981 box GTS. I love them they are a step up in every measure but they are pretty ubiquitous and not as rare but it's because they are so good.
The 997 was my favourite it is basically a better Z4M in every way fabulous drivers car. The newer models have a twin personality, the 991 is bigger, heavier and a very comfy GT but put it in sport or sport plus and it's an absolute animal. The 996 and 987 were the only ones I owned but my dad has had them for like 20 years now and we do a lot of driving and swap half way. Ive been lucky to have the access so it's been less of a need for me.
Porsche 911's, Yorkshire Porsche Festival, Lotherton Hall, Leeds by Tom Scott, on Flickr
We've been all over Europe in them and had a complete blast
Z&P Eurotrip UK to Monaco 2017 by Tom Scott, on Flickr
Go have a go in one and see what you think. Only you will know once your in one.
Money questions are personal and the reason I have a Z4M is because buying the 911 I want I need 50-60k plus the Z4M and in my current situation with a baby and 2 dogs I can't justify it, nor is it practical but because the M isnt worth a lot I can justify having it as there isnt anything that competes at the same value.
If I wasnt in my current situation I would have one in the garage right now.
That being said at 70k there are a lot of options, ive always fancies a 355 or 360 which is in this category or really push it and you could get into a 430. Those are another level again but are much more sensitive to milage and cost to look after. If Ferraris aren't your cup of tea there is loads of good options that are worth exploring.
The convertible isnt the best variant, unlike the Z that was designed to be a roadster the 911 wasnt and you can feel it. Its a completely different model and old but I had a 996 4s convertible and it was heavy and you could feel it but the experience was great and I tended to drive it like a GT whereas the Z4M I have is much more raw and connected. Im sure the newer ones are much better from that perspective but it is worth baring in mind you can't defy the laws of physics and the 996 4s was about 18-1900kg for an old car it was a lot to lug around and it obviously had the 4wd system too which isnt the best experience either the RWD cars are more purist but I love the wide body look and in the winter it literally got everywhere.
This was new years day and me and my dad went for a drive up Hartside which isnt far from my family home and had a blast... the Z4m was all over the place the 996 was planted and inspiring... niche conditions and im sure lots probably are itching because there is snow... I like to drive them all year round.
I have experience with the 996 4S, 997.1 CS coupe, 991.1 CS coupe, 987.1 BoxS and the 981 box GTS. I love them they are a step up in every measure but they are pretty ubiquitous and not as rare but it's because they are so good.
The 997 was my favourite it is basically a better Z4M in every way fabulous drivers car. The newer models have a twin personality, the 991 is bigger, heavier and a very comfy GT but put it in sport or sport plus and it's an absolute animal. The 996 and 987 were the only ones I owned but my dad has had them for like 20 years now and we do a lot of driving and swap half way. Ive been lucky to have the access so it's been less of a need for me.
Porsche 911's, Yorkshire Porsche Festival, Lotherton Hall, Leeds by Tom Scott, on FlickrWe've been all over Europe in them and had a complete blast
Z&P Eurotrip UK to Monaco 2017 by Tom Scott, on Flickr
Go have a go in one and see what you think. Only you will know once your in one.
Money questions are personal and the reason I have a Z4M is because buying the 911 I want I need 50-60k plus the Z4M and in my current situation with a baby and 2 dogs I can't justify it, nor is it practical but because the M isnt worth a lot I can justify having it as there isnt anything that competes at the same value.
If I wasnt in my current situation I would have one in the garage right now.
That being said at 70k there are a lot of options, ive always fancies a 355 or 360 which is in this category or really push it and you could get into a 430. Those are another level again but are much more sensitive to milage and cost to look after. If Ferraris aren't your cup of tea there is loads of good options that are worth exploring.
I have a 911, but not a cab. The cab is financially the worst investment as the depreciate the fastest.
The 911 (I have a 50th edition) is a car with different personalities, it can handle the bad roads very well even on 20" wheels, and the suspension is superb (and the electronic gadgets to keep the car level). The warranty is reasonable at 1k per year and I buy it 3 years at a time.
The sound of the engine / exhaust is amazing, performance likewise as is the roadholding.
I have an X5M as well, and performance wise they are probably very similar, but they are so different to drive.
If you chose the right 911, it is a good investment over time. I have been lucky to see an increase of 50% in the value of mine but you have to pick the right one.
Driving one is the first step, I had one a couple of times from the dealer for a weekend which was great to really "live" with it to test. Was dropped off at the house and collected,
The 911 (I have a 50th edition) is a car with different personalities, it can handle the bad roads very well even on 20" wheels, and the suspension is superb (and the electronic gadgets to keep the car level). The warranty is reasonable at 1k per year and I buy it 3 years at a time.
The sound of the engine / exhaust is amazing, performance likewise as is the roadholding.
I have an X5M as well, and performance wise they are probably very similar, but they are so different to drive.
If you chose the right 911, it is a good investment over time. I have been lucky to see an increase of 50% in the value of mine but you have to pick the right one.
Driving one is the first step, I had one a couple of times from the dealer for a weekend which was great to really "live" with it to test. Was dropped off at the house and collected,
pvr said:
Z&P Eurotrip UK to Monaco 2017 by Tom Scott, on Flickr:driving:
Cheeky pic of the Z in there for good measure :rofl:
At a risk of complete ridicule how about an i8 Roadster? I have one and it’s phenomenal and the only naysayers are those who haven’t driven one. As a GT it’s in a class of its own at that price point (£50-60k). Also it’s rarer than a z8. Don’t think it’s simple though…even if it does do 45mpg all the time. You NEED a warranty.
tomscott said:
First of all, thanks for such detailed input. It's really informative. I am also so jealous (in a really good way) that you can have access to so many different generation and version of 911 and can have back to back comparison.
About the 70k and other options, what I meant is my m40i+60-70k so the 992 gen is currently like £80k+. I like a Ferrari and 458 is the one I love. But as you mentioned, it's the cost to look after that scare me off. Another reason is that driving a Ferrari on road kind of feels like put me under the spotlight whereas driving a 911 kind of hitting a good balance of feeling the difference and not grab everyone's eye. Other option I've had and test driven is the 718 Spyder. Similar price to the 992, more exclusive. The only down side is that it's not a 911. Do you think I should care about the 911 badge? Or, do you think 718 Spyder will be a better option than a regular 911 S Cab?
q96169we said:
Not sure if this matters to you but when I went looking at them the one thing that was very evident is put anywhere near “normal mileage” on and you’ll need a snorkel the prices will sink that fast. Also personally didn’t like the roof set up, particularly if caught in the rain :rofl:
CliveN said:
I know it's the cheapest option if I want a full carbon car. But for this round, I don't think I will consider another BMW. I am very happy with my current BMW lineup (m40i for fun, G31 520d for family long trip, and iX1 for my wife to hit every piller/posts in the city while saving some tax).
Argyll Andy said:
Yep, this is the issue I'm aware of. If I get the Spyder, I will need to calculate every single mile I do to avoid huge price drop. I hope the regular 911 will be slightly better on this matter although I'm not sure how true my hope is. :tumbleweed: :tumbleweed:
About the roof, it's a bit hard to say. I like it so far without owning one. But maybe I will hate it after being caught in a downpour. :headbang: :headbang:
pvr said:
This is kind of a reason why I start considering the change. Because of the depreciation, I can find one with good options and the price doesn't look too scary. I don't expect the regular 911 to go up in price as your 50th years of 911 version (on a side topic, may I ask how many miles roughly you put on the car annually?). Also, I'm hoping it won't depreciate too quickly going forward considering the car is already about 4-5 years old. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If the cab will still depreciate hugely compare to a coupe, then I think I will try to find a coupe. I like covertible but it's not a must.
[ref]pvr[/ref], [ref]tomscott[/ref], any recommendation about where to buy a Porsche? I am currently only searching within Porsche network (porsche centers around the country) for approved used. Is this necessary, or whether 3rd party garage will be okay as well? From what I can see, 3rd party garge isn't cheaper than a porsche center.
q96169we said:
If you look at history, check out the 993 models as I am looking at some stage to add that.
If you see a reasonable priced one, the following will be the reason:
- It is a Cab or Targa
- It is automatic
Either of those and the car has lost half the value compared to the manual coupes. Check the same for the Turbo models, auto or cab is a fraction of the value.
My 911 is a manual gearbox as that is my flavour of driving.
In the Porsche I have only done 18k miles in the last 10 years since I had it since new. A lot of them with Tom actually :lol:
pvr said:
How about 991 or 997 as they are closer to 992? Autotrader gave the impression that cab or coupe are similarly priced. Is there any catch that I missed? To be honest, I'm still new to porsche world. I know there are many factors that affect the value but I just don't fully know the details yet.
Well, cab is more to start with so you can see where it is heading as a two year old is already level with the coupe :lol:
Fundamental question is: How long do you want to keep it for
If it is a Porsche "taster", then go for the average "have to" spec, consisting of:
- PDK
- Sport Chrono
- Sports Exhaust
- 'S' model
Do not under estimate the value of the Sports Exhaust, that can make a car difficult to shift without it. Very expensive to retrofit.
If you go for a keeper, then you chose the options you want. Usually, you do end up with half the alphabet in abbreviations though :lol:
If you like mountain driving, the demands of the adjustable suspension / engine mounts and so out are really noticable. If you drive in cities instead, the "lift" function to not grind in garages and speed bumps might be more useful.
Fundamental question is: How long do you want to keep it for
If it is a Porsche "taster", then go for the average "have to" spec, consisting of:
- PDK
- Sport Chrono
- Sports Exhaust
- 'S' model
Do not under estimate the value of the Sports Exhaust, that can make a car difficult to shift without it. Very expensive to retrofit.
If you go for a keeper, then you chose the options you want. Usually, you do end up with half the alphabet in abbreviations though :lol:
If you like mountain driving, the demands of the adjustable suspension / engine mounts and so out are really noticable. If you drive in cities instead, the "lift" function to not grind in garages and speed bumps might be more useful.
tomscott said:I love 911s and I would say yes it is worth it. Monetarily maybe not but the experience is, in the nicest way the 911 is a step up in all respects from the G29, especially where you sit. Luxurious, fast and comfortable it sits in that niche spot and is more of a GT than sports car just like the G29.
The convertible isnt the best variant, unlike the Z that was designed to be a roadster the 911 wasnt and you can feel it. Its a completely different model and old but I had a 996 4s convertible and it was heavy and you could feel it but the experience was great and I tended to drive it like a GT whereas the Z4M I have is much more raw and connected. Im sure the newer ones are much better from that perspective but it is worth baring in mind you can't defy the laws of physics and the 996 4s was about 18-1900kg for an old car it was a lot to lug around and it obviously had the 4wd system too which isnt the best experience either the RWD cars are more purist but I love the wide body look and in the winter it literally got everywhere.
Go have a go in one and see what you think. Only you will know once your in one.
Great post Tom. Love the pic of the Rose (MR) between two Thorns (911's)
pvr said:
Ah, if considering the new price, then yes, cab begin with higher price and after 4-5 years, even if they are same price as coupe, it actually depreciate more. But since I intend to buy used and the cab is 2-3k cheaper than similar age/spec/mileage coupe, if I keep it for 3 years, do you think it will keep depreciating more than the coupe?
About the spec, the one I'm looking at has almost exact spec as you mentioned. It's a 992 S model with PDK, Sport Chrono, Sport Exhaust, Matrix LED headlight, Bose speaker, and sport plus seat with memory. But, one thing I'm not too sure why is that it has been sitting at the dealer since Dec 2023. I'm not sure whether there is any spec related reason why the dealer can't sell it, or whether it's purely due to the dealer overpriced it since day one until recently they started reducing the price a lot.