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fire-n-ice

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I wonder how many coats of wax y'all apply before using an electric waxer? I've got 4 on mine now, and hand-waxing just isn't producing the shine I want, but I'm scared of burning my paint. Do extra coatings of wax help prevent paint burn?
Thanks
 
What kind of wax/polish are you using? A synthetic polish like Zaino will produce a deeper shine with more coats where as a carnuba wax will actually start to yellow some with too many coats. I do not beleive that extra coats will prevent burn. If you are using an electic buffer, you should always be very gentle - more pressure will not produce more shine, but it will produce more swirls and could burn through, especialy at sharp edges.

There is great thread on detailing over at Bimmer Post: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9145&highlight=detailing+101
 
fire-n-ice said:
I wonder how many coats of wax y'all apply before using an electric waxer? I've got 4 on mine now, and hand-waxing just isn't producing the shine I want, but I'm scared of burning my paint. Do extra coatings of wax help prevent paint burn?
Thanks
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Not really. If you are looking for more of a wet look shine you might want to check out some of the synthetic sealants like Zaino or Menzerna FMJ. I have been using the Menzerna products and am delighted with how much more of a shine I can get out of them as opposed to carnauba based waxes.
 
thanks guys: Alan, it appears you also have a lighter colored Z. It's harder to get deeper shine out of lighter colored vehicles. I am using Blackfire right now, the one for lighter paints. I am very happy with the results by hand so far, but want to graduate to maybe a slower electic buffer, I think I'm ready for the big-time :wink:
 
20ducks said:
The buffer won't get you a better shine. It is all to do with surface preparation, full stop.
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If you clay-bar your car first you will be amazed at how easy the wax glides on.
 
fire-n-ice said:
thanks guys: Alan, it appears you also have a lighter colored Z. It's harder to get deeper shine out of lighter colored vehicles. I am using Blackfire right now, the one for lighter paints. I am very happy with the results by hand so far, but want to graduate to maybe a slower electic buffer, I think I'm ready for the big-time :wink:
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Go for a Porter Cable random orbit buffer - it's almost impossible to burn a paint job with one of those. I have been using one for about 4 or 5 years and haven't screwed up a paint job yet, so obviously it really is idiot proof. :play:
 
f-n-i

What ever product you use, there is a process to get the most out of it. With your car only 5 months old, I don't see why you would need to clay bar. I would wash with dawn soap to remove all wax that is currently on the car. You would then want to use a polish ( some call it glaze ) or its equivalent for your product. I do the polish twice with a foam or sponge type applicator made for this job ( not a sponge from the sink ). When you do this, do small areas in the shade and as cool as possible surface, DON'T LET THE PRODUCT COME TO A FULL DRY! Use microfiber towels and wipe off the product while still damp. I then start with lite coats of wax. It does no good to apply heavy coats. I use the same type sponge like applicators. The flatter the surface you apply your product with, will help the way it turns out. My car is three years old and I have never put a buffer to it and I have that wet look ( or as much of one you can get on silver ). It is more the process used that will get you the results you are looking for.

This is just my opinion and others will have theirs.
 
Better than all this is to contact a local detailer. Get good references and pay the person to do the job for you. Trust me, in the long run you will (and your car) be better off. :thumbsup:
 
Kinda agree with ducks on this one.

IMZ4N - I totally disagree on the need for a thorough detail job on a new car. From my perspective the dealerships don't even come close to doing a good job on the initial detail. The second weekend I had my car I did a very thorough cleaning, clay bar job, and followed that with a sequence of Menzerna polishing steps (Intensive Polish, Final Polish II, Finishing Touch Glaze, and finally FMJ - all applied via my Porter Cable buffer). I followed that the next weekend with another coat of FMJ.

The car looks far better than it did when it left the dealership and I have found this pattern to be true with the last 3 cars I have owned (Audi's and a Honda). The dealer detail shops (and the places they contract out to) don't spend anywhere near the kind of time I am willing to expend on my new cars and the differences are readily apparent.
 
AlanL is right. I clayed my car when it was about one month old - I was amazed at the difference it made. I still prefer to apply polish by hand. It really does not take long to lay down a coat on a small car like the zed.

I have not tried it, but I have heard good things about the Klasse all-in-one product. Zaino now makes an all-in-one too.
 
I have already clayed it, I don't know if y'all remember on the old Z4um website or not, but I posted my experiences with claying. My car is old, 2003, it's just that I've only had it five months.
I clayed, prep'd, waxed, then prep'd again, then waxed 3 more times. Each time allowing at least 8 hours of curing time between each wax. The results are extremely good, but I want an even deeper shine. I thought maybe with a very mild buffer, I just might get a smidgen more out of it.

Thanks for all the advice, y'all are great :friends:
 
fire-n-ice said:
I have already clayed it, I don't know if y'all remember on the old Z4um website or not, but I posted my experiences with claying. My car is old, 2003, it's just that I've only had it five months.
I clayed, prep'd, waxed, then prep'd again, then waxed 3 more times. Each time allowing at least 8 hours of curing time between each wax. The results are extremely good, but I want an even deeper shine. I thought maybe with a very mild buffer, I just might get a smidgen more out of it.

Thanks for all the advice, y'all are great :friends:
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I really don't think the buffer will help the shine. I would give either Zaino or Klasse a try. I can say from experience with Zaino that it successive coats will definitely deepen the shine. Once a good base is applied, the gloss enhancer really works well for routine maintenance.
 
The prep steps are the key to a deeper shine here. If the underlying surface has any degree of haze in it no sealant or wax is going to produce a deeper shine.

Consider a product along the lines of Menzerna's Intensive Polish right after a clay bar cleaning. An older car like f-n-i's roadster probably needs more work at this stage than a newer car, but I have always found that almost all cars need a good base level of compounding work before the paint job is going to look it's best.
 
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