Detailing advice

Tallspeaker

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The Emerald Isle
Looking after my cars to date has been nothing more in-depth than a wash and wax on a regular basis. Always use a decent wax, like chemical guys, but never really strayed into other products. Reading the forum + product sites, it's a bit of a mine field with so much choice - degreasers, washes, waxes, glosses, sealants etc. I'm looking to up my game in this area. Can anyone take pity on me and firstly lay out the stages (I.e. degrease, wash, gloss, wax etc) in the correct order and then recommend some good products? If there are any stages that are unnecessary / seasonal please let me know and I'll ignore. I'd invest a decent amount of time caring for the look of a car (every week) but probably haven't been following a good regime or using the right products.
Cheers
The Token Paddy
 
Hi Tallspeaker, im not an expert but if your car isnt mint then a good machine polish will work wonders removing swirls from the clearcoat & a careful cleaning procedure will help preserve the finish afterwards.
regards
 
being a newbie to detailing I wholeheartedly agree on how tricky it is deciding on how to go about my first shot... here is a thread how i ended up going about it
http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=83577

I guess the basic requirements are wash followed by claying to decontaminate the paint then polishing followed by either applying a wax or sealant (or both)
I used a regular car wash shampoo nothing fancy then a farecla g3 clay mitt for claying (great for a beginner) then sonax 04 06 for my machine polish then collinite 476s wax to finish off... all reasonable priced products for a beginner and yeilded a very nice result, hope this helps
 
Hi Tallspeaker,

So there are dozens of steps depending on how thorough you want to be. Obviously once you've done a thorough detail there are a few steps you bypass.

So here are the steps and equipment/products.

Prewash - this is typically a snow foam. What this does is loosen the dirt and as the foam dwells it removes an amount of dirt. Depending on product the dwell times are usually up to 10minutes. Products I'd highly recommend are BD Clean Snow foam or Auto Finesse Avalanche. You can agitate with a soft detailing brush around badges, gaps and grilles. Pressure wash off, never leave to dry on the paintwork.
Depending on time of year so for example winter I would always a citrus prewash. You simply spray on (I concentrate on the lower half) leave to dwell then pressure wash off. Auto Finesse Citrus power

Now it comes to the actual cleaning.

I use 3 buckets with grit guards. Why 3? One for wheels. One for shampoo and one for rinsing. What you don't want to do is dunk your wash mitt into your shampoo mix which will contaminate your clean water with dirt which causes swirls/scratches. Grit guards do exactly that, these create a barrier between your mitt and grit as the grit falls to the bottom. I used Chemical Guys Mr Pink, BD clean Shampoo, chemical Guys V07.

I use two lambs wool mitts (one for the upper half and then one for lower), the plush pile traps any grit while passing on the paintwork thus helping your paintwork stay swirl free. Wheel wise i use wheel woollies, EZ brushes and detailing brushes for a deep clean. Large brushes such as these allow you to clean the barrel of your wheel rather than just washing the alloy rim. Product wise I personally like Chemical Guys Diablo wheel cleaner in a spray bottle and Auto Finesse Revolution in the bucket. Clean the wheels first before the paintwork.
Next up is the start of the decontamition process. When cleaning the car, clean in one direction. Do not do as the Polish do and wash in circles.

Over time your car will pick up tar and iron particles from your brakes. These are spray on products so are quick to apply. First up would be Auto Finesse Iron Out. This reacts with iron turning purple so a great show to be had. Rinse after a few minutes. You can also use this on heavily soiled alloys but shouldn't be used frequently. For Tar I use Gyeon Tar. This physically melts the tar spots, simply spray onto the affected area, leave to dwell then either agitate or rinse off. Again this can be used on alloys.

Next up is claying. You can either use a clay mitt for quicker results or a clay bar. Clay bars are in various grades, depending on if your car has been clayed before. You can test this by running your fingers across the paintwork. If it feels like sandpaper then you'd need a medium grade followed by a fine grade. Pull off a chunk, mold it in the palm of your hand then flatten. You must use a lube, without you will damage the paintwork and cause marring. I use Dodo Juice Born Slippy, liberally spray a panel (ie a wing) and continue to spray while cleaning. You'll need to fold the clay once it's become contaminated. Keep running your fingers on the paintwork, if smooth and you can't hear anything then move on to the next section.

Right what's next. After claying snow foam then rinse off.

Drying. Now this is where a large majority of damage can be done. You want a plush drying towel such as Autobrite the reaper or Auto finesse Aqua deluxe. Plush towels work the same a mitt, the fibres trap any remaining dirt or fallen dust while drying. There are two methods either a dab or fold and light drag in one direction.

Polishing is next. If you have a machine polisher then it all depends on how swirled your paintwork is. If it's heavily swirled then a 3 stage paint correction is required. By 3 stage I mean you'd use 3 grades of compound and pads. Starting off with the most aggressive then refining as you go. I could write another essay on this so if you decide on a 3stage then let me know. If you don't have a machine and need to apply by hand Glazes are great at covering and filling swirls and scratches. These are used on application pads. Work on one panel at a time. Obviously this is a temporary fix and will need to keep applying over time. Product wise I'd recommend Auto Finnese Ultra Glaze, Chemical Guys Glossworkz or Autobrite Renew.

Right then you are almost there to admire your hard work. Sealing and waxing are my two favourite stages. Sealant basically does that, it adds a layer of protection against contamination and salt. These help prolong your paintwork over time. Apply to the whole car including arches, door sills etc. products wise Auto Finesse Tough coat - extremely easy to apply and a little goes a long way. Simply spray into an application pad, apply in a circular motion. Allow to haze then buff off(use tough coat beforehand), Soft 99 fusso, fantastic hydrophobic properties, again apply thinly, allow to haze then buff off. This has up to 12months protection (great for winter). Auto Finesse Power Seal, same as above. There are hundreds of sealants out there but these for me are tried and tested.

Waxing.....where do I begin. You can buy a wax from as little as £10 all the way to well thousands!! Depending on the desired look you can get waxes designed for car shows, these have extra gloss properties but only have a longevity of a few weeks. Different waxes do different things like bring out flake pop, warm glows, added depth. Waxes I use Complete Auto Finesse range, Infinity Wax, Carspunk (yes that's correct) Valet Pro, Soft 99, Autobrite, Waxaddict to name a few. Set your self a budget and stick to it. Waxes can be an enjoyable money pit. Something from the Soft 99 range are a good start.

Don't forget to seal your alloy wheels to help keeping them in tip top condition. You can either use ceramic sealants like Gtechniq or Carbon Collection. Wheel waxes are also available like Poorboys Natty paste or Auto finesse Mint rims. Apply like a normal wax, allow to haze then buff off.

Dressing the plastics and tyres are next. Tyre wise I've used dozens over the years but have found Carbon Collective Sateen to be the best and actually lasts in our weather conditions. Again a little goes a long way. This product gives a satin finish however you can matte or high gloss gels.

Plastics - I use Valet Pro Black to the future which is correctly prepped lasts, again you can use "permanent" products such as Gtechniq and carbon collective.

Once a thorough detail has been carried out you can skip claying, decontamination, polishing and sealing but can top up your wax on regular maintenance washes.

I don't think I've missed anything but probably have but typing all this on my phone is hard work. Feel free to message me.
 
Knew I'd forget something. Currently off my head of beechans man flu stuff. You can obviously also polish your glass using glass polish. First cleaning using a window cleaner and not Mr sheen ha. Auto finesse crystal is by the best I've used, smear free! Once cleaned you can use a polish such as AF vision. Once polished a water repellant can be applied. At speeds above 30mph you won't need to use your wipers, water will simply sheet off - this improves visibility during heavy rain pours.

Obviously you also have the interior and engine bay to clean and protect. A good all purpose cleaner and a detailing brush can tackle the engine bay. Followed by plastic dressing. Interior - vacuum out, clean the plastics using the APC, fabric sealant on the carpets, air fresheners.

You can see why us detailers charge what we do and something like this is a minimum of 15hours.

Take a look at slimsdetailing or cleanyourcar for products and equipment
 
Thanks for the replies, but to Autovision in particular. That's about as detailed a description as I've ever heard - thanks for taking the time. I reckon I'd be well into that, but it's a bit intimidating too. Not sure I'd have the skill to get it right. Might be better off to go to a professional detailer for the original correction, and then look at maintaining it myself? Sounds like a two day job too. Then again, there's a lot of satisfaction to be had from completing something like that. I'll get right on to some of those products in any case.

When I don't surface for an entire weekend, I assume you lot will explain it to my other half? And I must warn you - she's scouse.
 
Tallspeaker said:
Thanks for the replies, but to Autovision in particular. That's about as detailed a description as I've ever heard - thanks for taking the time. I reckon I'd be well into that, but it's a bit intimidating too. Not sure I'd have the skill to get it right. Might be better off to go to a professional detailer for the original correction, and then look at maintaining it myself? Sounds like a two day job too. Then again, there's a lot of satisfaction to be had from completing something like that. I'll get right on to some of those products in any case.

When I don't surface for an entire weekend, I assume you lot will explain it to my other half? And I must warn you - she's scouse.

No problem, took me loads of searching and learnings when I first started some many years ago. If you don't have a machine polisher (these start at £120 plus pads and compound you are already at £200+ Which is halfway to a professional detailers price). Don't be put off though. With a Dual Action polisher you can't do any damage unless you lack in common sense. Maintaining it afterwards with the correct steps is also a good way.

Where abouts are you based?
 
Autovisiondetailing said:
Tallspeaker said:
Thanks for the replies, but to Autovision in particular. That's about as detailed a description as I've ever heard - thanks for taking the time. I reckon I'd be well into that, but it's a bit intimidating too. Not sure I'd have the skill to get it right. Might be better off to go to a professional detailer for the original correction, and then look at maintaining it myself? Sounds like a two day job too. Then again, there's a lot of satisfaction to be had from completing something like that. I'll get right on to some of those products in any case.

When I don't surface for an entire weekend, I assume you lot will explain it to my other half? And I must warn you - she's scouse.

No problem, took me loads of searching and learnings when I first started some many years ago. If you don't have a machine polisher (these start at £120 plus pads and compound you are already at £200+ Which is halfway to a professional detailers price). Don't be put off though. With a Dual Action polisher you can't do any damage unless you lack in common sense. Maintaining it afterwards with the correct steps is also a good way.

Where abouts are you based?

Bit too far away I'm afraid - Dublin.
 
Autovisiondetailing said:
Hi Tallspeaker,

So there are dozens of steps depending on how thorough you want to be. Obviously once you've done a thorough detail there are a few steps you bypass.

So here are the steps and equipment/products.

Prewash - this is typically a snow foam. What this does is loosen the dirt and as the foam dwells it removes an amount of dirt. Depending on product the dwell times are usually up to 10minutes. Products I'd highly recommend are BD Clean Snow foam or Auto Finesse Avalanche. You can agitate with a soft detailing brush around badges, gaps and grilles. Pressure wash off, never leave to dry on the paintwork.
Depending on time of year so for example winter I would always a citrus prewash. You simply spray on (I concentrate on the lower half) leave to dwell then pressure wash off. Auto Finesse Citrus power

Now it comes to the actual cleaning.

I use 3 buckets with grit guards. Why 3? One for wheels. One for shampoo and one for rinsing. What you don't want to do is dunk your wash mitt into your shampoo mix which will contaminate your clean water with dirt which causes swirls/scratches. Grit guards do exactly that, these create a barrier between your mitt and grit as the grit falls to the bottom. I used Chemical Guys Mr Pink, BD clean Shampoo, chemical Guys V07.

I use two lambs wool mitts (one for the upper half and then one for lower), the plush pile traps any grit while passing on the paintwork thus helping your paintwork stay swirl free. Wheel wise i use wheel woollies, EZ brushes and detailing brushes for a deep clean. Large brushes such as these allow you to clean the barrel of your wheel rather than just washing the alloy rim. Product wise I personally like Chemical Guys Diablo wheel cleaner in a spray bottle and Auto Finesse Revolution in the bucket. Clean the wheels first before the paintwork.
Next up is the start of the decontamition process. When cleaning the car, clean in one direction. Do not do as the Polish do and wash in circles.

Over time your car will pick up tar and iron particles from your brakes. These are spray on products so are quick to apply. First up would be Auto Finesse Iron Out. This reacts with iron turning purple so a great show to be had. Rinse after a few minutes. You can also use this on heavily soiled alloys but shouldn't be used frequently. For Tar I use Gyeon Tar. This physically melts the tar spots, simply spray onto the affected area, leave to dwell then either agitate or rinse off. Again this can be used on alloys.

Next up is claying. You can either use a clay mitt for quicker results or a clay bar. Clay bars are in various grades, depending on if your car has been clayed before. You can test this by running your fingers across the paintwork. If it feels like sandpaper then you'd need a medium grade followed by a fine grade. Pull off a chunk, mold it in the palm of your hand then flatten. You must use a lube, without you will damage the paintwork and cause marring. I use Dodo Juice Born Slippy, liberally spray a panel (ie a wing) and continue to spray while cleaning. You'll need to fold the clay once it's become contaminated. Keep running your fingers on the paintwork, if smooth and you can't hear anything then move on to the next section.

Right what's next. After claying snow foam then rinse off.

Drying. Now this is where a large majority of damage can be done. You want a plush drying towel such as Autobrite the reaper or Auto finesse Aqua deluxe. Plush towels work the same a mitt, the fibres trap any remaining dirt or fallen dust while drying. There are two methods either a dab or fold and light drag in one direction.

Polishing is next. If you have a machine polisher then it all depends on how swirled your paintwork is. If it's heavily swirled then a 3 stage paint correction is required. By 3 stage I mean you'd use 3 grades of compound and pads. Starting off with the most aggressive then refining as you go. I could write another essay on this so if you decide on a 3stage then let me know. If you don't have a machine and need to apply by hand Glazes are great at covering and filling swirls and scratches. These are used on application pads. Work on one panel at a time. Obviously this is a temporary fix and will need to keep applying over time. Product wise I'd recommend Auto Finnese Ultra Glaze, Chemical Guys Glossworkz or Autobrite Renew.

Right then you are almost there to admire your hard work. Sealing and waxing are my two favourite stages. Sealant basically does that, it adds a layer of protection against contamination and salt. These help prolong your paintwork over time. Apply to the whole car including arches, door sills etc. products wise Auto Finesse Tough coat - extremely easy to apply and a little goes a long way. Simply spray into an application pad, apply in a circular motion. Allow to haze then buff off(use tough coat beforehand), Soft 99 fusso, fantastic hydrophobic properties, again apply thinly, allow to haze then buff off. This has up to 12months protection (great for winter). Auto Finesse Power Seal, same as above. There are hundreds of sealants out there but these for me are tried and tested.

Waxing.....where do I begin. You can buy a wax from as little as £10 all the way to well thousands!! Depending on the desired look you can get waxes designed for car shows, these have extra gloss properties but only have a longevity of a few weeks. Different waxes do different things like bring out flake pop, warm glows, added depth. Waxes I use Complete Auto Finesse range, Infinity Wax, Carspunk (yes that's correct) Valet Pro, Soft 99, Autobrite, Waxaddict to name a few. Set your self a budget and stick to it. Waxes can be an enjoyable money pit. Something from the Soft 99 range are a good start.

Don't forget to seal your alloy wheels to help keeping them in tip top condition. You can either use ceramic sealants like Gtechniq or Carbon Collection. Wheel waxes are also available like Poorboys Natty paste or Auto finesse Mint rims. Apply like a normal wax, allow to haze then buff off.

Dressing the plastics and tyres are next. Tyre wise I've used dozens over the years but have found Carbon Collective Sateen to be the best and actually lasts in our weather conditions. Again a little goes a long way. This product gives a satin finish however you can matte or high gloss gels.

Plastics - I use Valet Pro Black to the future which is correctly prepped lasts, again you can use "permanent" products such as Gtechniq and carbon collective.

Once a thorough detail has been carried out you can skip claying, decontamination, polishing and sealing but can top up your wax on regular maintenance washes.

I don't think I've missed anything but probably have but typing all this on my phone is hard work. Feel free to message me.

OMG THANK YOU! Being a useless noob, I am feeling lost wondering what to buy and how to go about properly washing my new car. This is the first post that simply explains everything. Now to pick one of the 4000 shampoos out there.
 
This thread or even just that reply should be sticky :bow: :bow:

Absolutely fantastic, thanks again for taking the time to write that up!
 
Thanks Autovisiondetailing that is a very informative and interesting reply. :thumbsup:

Would you advise anything different for those owners like myself whose Zed is a daily driver and perhaps don't have the same time to lavish on their cars as those whose Zeds drive a couple of thousand miles a year in the nice weather?
 
Flyingfifer said:
This thread or even just that reply should be sticky :bow: :bow:

Absolutely fantastic, thanks again for taking the time to write that up!

My pleasure! There's probably a lot more I can add to this so if it was a sticky (up to the mods) then I will add this/rewrite and not on my phone.
 
TR4man said:
Thanks Autovisiondetailing that is a very informative and interesting reply. :thumbsup:

Would you advise anything different for those owners like myself whose Zed is a daily driver and perhaps don't have the same time to lavish on their cars as those whose Zeds drive a couple of thousand miles a year in the nice weather?

I wouldn't say there is anything else. I would highly recommend following the above and carrying out as much of those steps (prewash,clean,decontaminate, polish if you wish to remove swirls or fill using all in one). If it's not a garage queen like mine or many on here and is a daily then sealants and wax will be your best friend. By sealing the paintwork and alloys it will make your cleaning life so much easier. Our cars, dailys included have several coats of protection on so a simple snow foam and pressure wash keeps the cars clean.
 
I went ahead an bought a bunch of stuff on amazon 2 lambs wool wash mitts, 2 grit guards, Auto Finesse IO500 Iron Out Remover, some microfibre waxing pads, Auto Finesse TEM200 Temptation Wax, and some Chemical Guys Mr Pink Shampoo.

Just got in from a morning of cleaning, first I did the alloys with the iron out. Very fun watching it all turn purple. Then a good wash down with the mitts and shampoo, rinse off, and dried with a big microfibre towel. Then I cleaned all the nooks and crannys and got it all super clean. Lastly I used the wax, now my arm is aching but the results are good! Got a fair few compliments from the neighbours too so I must have been doing ok.

Anyway, thanks for the tips! Think I definitely need some tar remover. A garage and a hose pipe would help too, but you can't complain. :)
 
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DinosaurEyes said:
I went ahead an bought a bunch of stuff on amazon 2 lambs wool wash mitts, 2 grit guards, Auto Finesse IO500 Iron Out Remover, some microfibre waxing pads, Auto Finesse TEM200 Temptation Wax, and some Chemical Guys Mr Pink Shampoo.

Just got in from a morning of cleaning, first I did the alloys with the iron out. Very fun watching it all turn purple. Then a good wash down with the mitts and shampoo, rinse off, and dried with a big microfibre towel. Then I cleaned all the nooks and crannys and got it all super clean. Lastly I used the wax, now my arm is aching but the results are good! Got a fair few compliments from the neighbours too so I must have been doing ok.

Anyway, thanks for the tips! Think I definitely need some tar remover. A garage and a hose pipe would help too, but you can't complain. :)

Looks like all your hard work paid off!! How did you find Temptation?
 
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