France Road Trips Tips (following from the recent nice post)

eurgain

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North-East Wales
General "tips" for France trips...

I drive in France and in the UK, covering a greater annual distance there than I now do in the UK. Driving there is a real delight. It can be made better with a few tips.

If you are going to use Autoroutes, subscribe to the Télépéage "Liber-T" system before you go. You can do it online from http://www.sanef.fr (or from one of the Agences Commerciales after you arrive).

What it means is that you never have to stop at a péage booth on the autoroutes, and don't inconvenience your passenger or scrape the left side of your car trying to get close enough to pay.

You stick a clip to the windscreen and slide the "badge" into it. Then, instead of driving up to take a ticket, you drive slowly for about 20m before the barrier, the badge beeps, the barrier goes up, and off you go. Much the same happens when you leave the autoroute - you just sidle up to the barrier, the badge beeps, and you are away. It saves so much time and hassle. You also get the amusement of looking at the person behind assume that the British car in front has gone into the wrong lane and is going to get stuck. I once had a taxi doing a full bake lockup because he thought he would have to give me space to reverse back out.

The tolls are charged to your credit card plus €2 for any month in which you use the system. You have to pay €30 deposit that you get back when you return the badge. There is no minimum fee, no contract, and you don't have to "top it up". You just pay for what you use. The badge works throughout France. Compare that with the M6 Toll system!!!

There is a persistent roumour that the toll system is used to trap speeders, because the time and distance between entry and exit is known. I know lots of French people who believe this, but I know none who has been caught, nor anyone who personally knows someone who has been caught. (Lots of people think they know someone who might know someone who has been caught....) In practice, on a long journey, you often stop for fuel or food between entry and exit anyway, which brings your average speed down to below the 130k.

Use a GPS and you will find that if you are doing a genuine 130k, you will pass most people (and you will re-pass the speeders at the next toll barrier if you use Télépéage!) Very anecdotally, the "down-on-you-like-a-ton-of-bricks" limit now seems to be 170k (whereas it used to be 200). Up to 160, and you will get fined, but keep your licence. 170+, and the police will take your licence away and send it home, which means you cannot drive in France, but at least you will not get points. You WILL get fined, and maybe quite a lot (up to €1000?). The autoroute speed limit is 130k (110 in the wet).

In France, you must always have your licence with you. If you are stopped, and don't have it, you will have to find your way back home to get it before you can drive your car again (unless someone with you is qualified to drive). I believe, but am not certain, that you may also need to have proof of insurance, but for this, an ordinary UK certificate will do - you do not need a "green card". I do not know about the requirements for registration document and MOT. If you drive in France after the police has taken your licence, you will be in real trouble!

Convert your headlamps! All Z4s have a built-in mechanism for doing this (read the manual), but it is a bit of a pain. If you do get stopped by the police (which is very rare indeed) this is something that they like to look at.

Carry a high-visibility jacket. This is mandatory in France, and it must be in the cabin (not in the boot). There is a €300 fine for not having one. Mine is in the first-aid kit under the passenger seat, and lives there permanently.

Do NOT NOT NOT take any device with you that can detect or predict speed traps. And I do not mean do not use one, I mean do not have one with you! They are very illegal in France. When you get there, you can buy a magazine that has photographs and locations of speed traps. In any case, all the fixed ones are well signposted.

Lane discipline in France is very important, and British drivers have a (justified) dreadful reputation for not adhering to it. You must return to the right lane immediately after passing someone, even if you may need to pull left again quite soon after. Never hold up faster traffic under any circumstances. You will be heavily fined if caught doing so. When pulling left, use your indicator for a full 2 seconds before making the slightest move from the right lane.

Driving in France is a delight, with quiet roads, roads so smooth that you will not mind your runflats, and well-educated drivers. However, the standard of driving discipline is much higher in France than in the UK, and others will become very impatient with those that do not follow the rules. The main one (well, convention, if not "rule"), that seems to be completely lacking in the UK, is that if you see a faster car, then get out of the way!

HTH
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Excellent post, all true and well summised.

In a recent trip, I was stopped twice and fined once, both for silly speeds unfortunately but broke three of the rules above.. had a Speed Alert system (pogo), didn't convert my lights and didn't have a copy of my insurance. Thankfully none of those were noticed.

I did however have a GB sign and a high-vis jacket, so i thought i was doing ok :thumbsup:

Like the idea about the toll automation though, worth a thought if you're there more than once a year I guess.
 
Good post and some good info for drivers in France. Used to live in Paris and it's amazing how bad the Brits generally are once they get into France to drive.

There seem to be 2 groups - those who believe they have to hit 150mph from the French docks to their destination and others who seem to lose all basic control of the car from lane discipline, junctions, etc. Probably lost and concerned about where their headed...

iirc you also have to carry a full kit of spare bulbs in France, but not sure if that still applies as we gently move to standard rules pan Europe
 
eurgain said:
Convert your headlamps! All Z4s have a built-in mechanism for doing this (read the manual), but it is a bit of a pain. If you do get stopped by the police (which is very rare indeed) this is something that they like to look at.

If you have Xenon's, you don't have to convert the headlights as they're a flat beam. I confirmed this with my dealers.

For anyone considering driving to the Alps:

There are points on the road on the approach to the mountains where you must have "equipment obligatoire" in order to proceed legally. This is either:

Winter tyres
or
Chains

There are "aire de chaines" areas for stopping and fitting the chains. You must have the equipment, even if it's currently sunny and dry.

Oh, and if you want a free database of fixed + mobile scamera sites in France for your Tom Tom etc, they're available here: http://www.alertegps.co.uk/index.asp?lang_choice=EN
 
Raify said:
eurgain said:
Convert your headlamps! All Z4s have a built-in mechanism for doing this (read the manual), but it is a bit of a pain. If you do get stopped by the police (which is very rare indeed) this is something that they like to look at.

If you have Xenon's, you don't have to convert the headlights as they're a flat beam. I confirmed this with my dealers.

For anyone considering driving to the Alps:

There are points on the road on the approach to the mountains where you must have "equipment obligatoire" in order to proceed legally. This is either:

Winter tyres
or
Chains


There are "aire de chaines" areas for stopping and fitting the chains. You must have the equipment, even if it's currently sunny and dry.

Oh, and if you want a free database of fixed + mobile scamera sites in France for your Tom Tom etc, they're available here: http://www.alertegps.co.uk/index.asp?lang_choice=EN

Raify the point about the chains is a good one. I have competed in the Crossiere Blanche in the Alps and fitting snow chains on 37" tyres at -20c in the dark up a mountain is something not to be tried...lol

Xenons - I'm afraid you are totally wrong there. A xenon has the same assymetric beam and has adjusters on the side as per halogen and needs switching over just the same.
Needing to be sure of such a post I pulled the access cover off the back of a brand new xenon I have in the garage and sure enough it has the appropriate adjuster lever and balning plates. European lights are different and are not equiped to change.

Amazing what a dealer will say.....
 
I've pulled the access cover off too. There was no adjustment lever / plate at all. And the beam pattern is completely level.

Anyone got a pic / instructions of how to adjust the xenons for RH driving?
 
Good post.

The rumour about time/distance seems to come from the fact the Police stop you at toll booths - when they actually have the camera car/bloke further up the road - probably behind a crest.

Nice to cruise at 160k, and the Z returnes decent economy still (thanks 6th gear!)
 
Raify said:
I've pulled the access cover off too. There was no adjustment lever / plate at all. And the beam pattern is completely level.

Anyone got a pic / instructions of how to adjust the xenons for RH driving?

Interesting. Are they OEM original fit or fitted by yourself/other?
I have genuine OEM Xenon (albeit cut up to fit Angel Eyes) and could photograph the correct asymmetric beam on my garage door if needed.

I'll take a snap of the light unit internal and post it later to demo
 
cj10jeeper said:
Raify said:
I've pulled the access cover off too. There was no adjustment lever / plate at all. And the beam pattern is completely level.

Anyone got a pic / instructions of how to adjust the xenons for RH driving?

Interesting. Are they OEM original fit or fitted by yourself/other?
I have genuine OEM Xenon (albeit cut up to fit Angel Eyes) and could photograph the correct asymmetric beam on my garage door if needed.

I'll take a snap of the light unit internal and post it later to demo

They're completely original. Lined up on a wall, the pattern is totally level. This is what my dealers did (line it up in the garage up against a tiled wall) to conifirm what they suspected.

The instructions in the manual about how to adjust the lights relate to the standard lights. There's no lever to adjust once you get in there.
 
I see the possible reason:

From your signature I see you have a facelift / coupe and there was a change in the lights.

I am referring to prefacelift, so that could explain the difference with BMW changing the beam pattern and setup at the same time as other internal light changes.

Your post could therefore be spot on for later facelift and coupe, but wrong for all the 2003 to 06 pre facelifts.
 
Aha! BMW could have saved me an hour of scraping my knuckles by putting that information in the M Coupe supplement booklet.
 
I agree with everything you say about driving in especially the lane discipline, we (UK) could really something there, the only exception I would take is they still have not got roundabouts sussed, they still pull out on you and then drive very slowly and expect you to stop, still beats driving in Brazil where all compulsory and warnings sign's seem to be at the drivers discretion and can be ignored if you can't be bothered with them. :driving:
 
Eurgain great post always wanted to drive around France without worry of having a passenger to grab ticket and pay at tolls.

Where do these clip on the screen will they stay put with top down ?

Never had probs at high speeds between tolls but they are getting hot on the speeds.

Was stopped a few years back and they do ask to see V5 and insurance

They do use lanes well but love sitting up your ass even if you are stuck behind someone else.

How true is the give way to cars from the right in cities coming out of side turnings ?

Drove through France twice last year GB sticker in rear screen but top down most of the time was passed by a few Jendarme but nothing happened how hot are they on this and what would be the fine ?
 
GAZA62 said:
Where do these clip on the screen will they stay put with top down ?
The newest badges are smaller than a box of matches, and the mount can be stuck anywhere really. Best position for ensuring that it works is the top corner of the windscreen on the passenger side. Yes it will stay on with the top down, and you can unclip the badge (leaving the mount) when you need to.

GAZA62 said:
How true is the give way to cars from the right in cities coming out of side turnings ?

This is pretty rare nowadays, even the French have realised it's a terrible idea. The last time I saw it on a main road was in Luxembourg. They're signposted: "Priorité a droit." on the main road, meaning give way to the right.

GAZA62 said:
Drove through France twice last year GB sticker in rear screen but top down most of the time was passed by a few Jendarme but nothing happened how hot are they on this and what would be the fine ?

I've done plenty of trips without bothering with a GB sticker, but for the sake of a £15 new euro style number plate, you might as well remove another excuse for the Gendarmes to stop you.
 
Something to add which people may find useful. When you enter a village/town in France you pass the namesign which is usually white, rectangular and with a red border. When you leave the village you get the same sign with a diagonal red line through it. These signs mean 50kph/end of 50kph limit. All those rural villages you may try to zoom through are not 100kph limit! The Gendarmes love catching people who don't know this (i.e. foreigners).

Another point - do NOT forget your vehicle registration document, or some other document which identifies you as the rightful owner or user of the car. The Gendarmes want to see this above all other docs, including insurance.

Finally - on the A26 going North the last toll is around 30km from Calais. Every weekend the Gendarms place an unmarked car 2-3 kms South of the toll and catch Brits speeding (usually a dark blue estate, but can be anything). It is like shooting ducks in a barrel for them. They radio ahead and stop you as you exit the toll. So take it easy on that stretch (once past the last toll it seems to be a free-for-all though :driving:
 
If you see a sign for speed cameras "Pour votre securite controles automatiques" there WILL be a camera shortly after.

Watch priorite a droit as you enter small villages. Unless signs state otherwise, it will still apply and French drivers love to exercise their rights over any RH drive cars!

Oh, and don't leave a coolbox plugged into the car overnight :roll:
 
Over the last 4 years I have spent a week each year driving through France (and Germany,Italy, Switzerland and Spain) with the sole intention of enjoying the car and the drive. Usually do around 2000 miles in a 5 day stretch and have never had a run in with the law. Stick to the speed limits in towns and villages, if you are going to speed on the peage be aware (or do what we do and send the second car on the trip up ahead a few miles and use a 2 way radio to ensure the path is clear of speed traps) and use common sense.
I agree that Continental driving is a great treat. You can cover huge distances as 100mph averages over several hours are realistic with the traffic volume, the Alps in the summer are a hairpin abusers playground and if you really want to get some big speeds in get into Germany at 6am on a Sunday morning and let rip on a derestricted Autobahn :driving:
 
I got nicked just last week for doing 145kph.....lucky it wasn't a couple of miles earlier....seems they had an extremely well hidden unmarked car on a bridge about 4 kms from the toll plaza and a line of gendarmes was waiting to pull me off the road. They sem t have a blitz on at the moment as they claim to be catching 50,000 speeders a month that way.

Got fined 45 euros, and since I had no cash (I was en route to the airport to collect my wife who had all the plastic, having given me an out of date fench bank card!) they stopped the autoroute traffic while I crossed the whole bloody thing to the other side (!) and drove back 12 kms to the nearest town to draw cash with my credit card so I could come back and pay them so I could get my licence back.....they asked for V5 (which I'd left at my House) but apart from tutting they did nothing about that.

Never fitted headlight masks - in the eight years I've been driving regularly over there in three different vehicles, I just lowered the headlamp adjuster switch and that does the job.

I have to disagree with the 'standard of driving' quote though..the french are simply crap. Poor lane discipline aside, does that justify them driving three inches from your bumper at 90mph? I don't think so. I've also witnessed, on more than one occasion, incidents where autoroute traffic has been stationary following an accident, so the entire queue has simply turned round and driven the wrong way up the autoroute on the hard shoulder to reach the exit they just passed.....

And it isn't subjective. They have roughly the same number of cars as the UK, but FOUR TIMES the number of RTAs. Enuf sed. :cry:

My advice would be to do the long distance stuff at night......in summer with the roof down it can be a blast, and helps you stay awake too LOL. Plus no radar/mobile cams....
 
lacroupade said:
My advice would be to do the long distance stuff at night......in summer with the roof down it can be a blast, and helps you stay awake too LOL. Plus no radar/mobile cams....

That must be another urban myth. The fixed cameras are 24/7 and the mobiles, while fewer, do indeed operate at night and in the rain. But, DAMHIK :(
 
Well doing the 700-mile trip at night from Boulogne down to near Tarbes I get flashed around 6-8 times in each direction....but since heres currently no reciprocal arrangement its not an issue for now....and as people have said, the fixed cams are always well signed in avance if you want to slow down.

And while I've often seen unmarked radar cars during daylight, never once in seven years (3-4 1800 mile trips a year) have I seen one at night, nor the gendarmes at the tolls that are needed to stop and fine you. Thats why typically, when deployed in daylight, you'll find them 3-4 kms before the next toll, with a bunch of gendies swaggering around at the toll itself flagging offenders down.
 
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