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DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
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DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
Casting around this forum you find a lot of stuff that you think will be a good idea – an example of this that I found was Shipkiller’s excellent guide to DISA maintenance (http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic ... 30&t=12150). Seemed a relatively simple job with potential upside in terms of prevention of a problem / increase in performance – and an excuse to have a proper poke round my engine bay.
I have a 2006 3.0Si though, and this has the N52 engine which is quite different to the M54 (pre-facelift engine) to which Shipkiller’s thread relates. There’s only one guide from someone in his thread doing it on the N52 engine, and whilst it helped me it's a little light on detail and I reckoned a thread with some photos would be in order. I am not an engineer, so this is a bit mickey mouse and I make no apologies for any terminology I get wrong – anyone who knows their way around their engine won’t need this anyway…
It is worth noting before you even start that I do not think this is necessary as preventative maintenance on the N52 engine because of changes that BMW have obviously made to the system based on experience of the M54 issues. However, should you have an issue that you think may be DISA-related, then hopefully this will help you.
So, here’s the start picture – you’re after getting the bad boy circled in red out to examine and clean. First things first, get the air filter box out the way, with a flat head screw driver under the metal clips shown by red arrows. Don’t worry, they won’t fall down into the engine bay as they remain attached to the lower part of the air filter system :
You then need to loosen the jubilee clip circled in orange below, and undo the connection to the MAF (circled in red) by getting a small flat head screw driver under the clip circled in green and pulling gently off :
Once you’ve done this you should be able to take the top of the air filter off. Tuck the MAF connector out of the way as in the red circle below, then move to the tubing at the rear of the sound generator assembly, circled in green :
You need to pull off the rubber connectors circled in green below, and also disconnect the MAF input to the DISA, circled in orange, by getting a flat head screw driver under the clip and pulling gently. Tuck it out of the way with the other one, and tuck the larger plastic felxi hoses back under the strut brace.
Next, remove the bracket that the rubber connectors were attached to, circled in red – you will need a socket set ratchet with an adaptor to fit a torx screw driver head into as there’s not a lot of space :
At this point I made my first error of judgement, though I didn’t realise it until I went to put everything back together. I undid the jubilee clip on the back of the sound generator connected to a bracket attached to the engine. With hindsight I should have just removed the single torx screw on the bracket and taken the whole sound generator out. So, don’t do what you see in the next pic :
The next pic shows my second error. I carefully undid the 4 torx screws holding the DISA in, but when I removed the sound generator I had left a connecting piece on, and couldn’t get the DISA out :
I loosened the jubilee clip on this part, then pulled and twisted, and pulled and twisted some more, but the little bugger wouldn’t come out… in the end I re-attached the main part of the sound generator and then used the leverage from that to pull it off. So, I should have just undone that one in the first place, leaving me with it looking like this :
Out with the DISA, a wee peek inside – looks nice and clean, no deposits, just a bit oily hence the rag. You can see where the DISA fits in and the ‘pin’ on the end sits :
And here’s the wee beasty itself. Note that the rubber seals are green, not orange as in the M54 version, and it is all a bit different in shape. First thing I noticed is that the flap cannot be turned by hand – this version must be motorised and electronically controlled by the MAF / ECU. It was also open in this position when I removed it (hopefully that’s normal…) :
It also doesn’t have a pin on the end like the M54 version – it has a plastic coupling that is very secure :
Finally, and I guess most disappointingly, it is very, very clean, with little in the way of deposits. Bear in mind that my car is an ’06 which has just clicked over 68k miles, so I was expecting at least a little gunk – as it’s not got any, I wonder if it has been replaced before ?
I didn’t want to feel I had done nothing, so I cleaned it anyway using some of this nasty stuff :
I then started on putting it all back together – this is just a shot to show all the bits, I was quite amazed that the sound generator (sat on top of the engine) is so large, given that it’s only purpose is to… well, generate sound :
Putting it back together is simply the reverse of what you’ve done. However at this point I realised that I had made an error because I simply couldn’t get the small end of the sound generator re-attached, no matter how hard I tried – there was just too little space to get any leverage. So, if you do this then undo the torx bolt that sits in the hole circled in green in the photo below :
Then just unclip the bulkhead end of the whole assembly from the firewall and pull the whole lot out, or you could undo the jubilee clip indicated by the green arrow in the following photo. The former is simpler, and would have saved me at least 30mins of swearing and scraped knuckles :
So there you have it – a fully documented N52 DISA removal guide, complete with errors for future generations to avoid… It was pretty much a waste of a couple of hours though, as BMW seem to have learned their lesson and toughened up the part in the newer engine. That said, I am sure it can go wrong, and perhaps can get gunked up, so if it does I hope this has helped you !
UPDATED 19/03/19 - 7 years later and it would appear issues can arise with perishing of the green rubber, so don’t be lulled into a false sense of security !
Thread here from today : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113175&p=1632354#p1632354
Thanks to propaintballa for posting up the new pics
I have a 2006 3.0Si though, and this has the N52 engine which is quite different to the M54 (pre-facelift engine) to which Shipkiller’s thread relates. There’s only one guide from someone in his thread doing it on the N52 engine, and whilst it helped me it's a little light on detail and I reckoned a thread with some photos would be in order. I am not an engineer, so this is a bit mickey mouse and I make no apologies for any terminology I get wrong – anyone who knows their way around their engine won’t need this anyway…
It is worth noting before you even start that I do not think this is necessary as preventative maintenance on the N52 engine because of changes that BMW have obviously made to the system based on experience of the M54 issues. However, should you have an issue that you think may be DISA-related, then hopefully this will help you.
So, here’s the start picture – you’re after getting the bad boy circled in red out to examine and clean. First things first, get the air filter box out the way, with a flat head screw driver under the metal clips shown by red arrows. Don’t worry, they won’t fall down into the engine bay as they remain attached to the lower part of the air filter system :
You then need to loosen the jubilee clip circled in orange below, and undo the connection to the MAF (circled in red) by getting a small flat head screw driver under the clip circled in green and pulling gently off :
Once you’ve done this you should be able to take the top of the air filter off. Tuck the MAF connector out of the way as in the red circle below, then move to the tubing at the rear of the sound generator assembly, circled in green :
You need to pull off the rubber connectors circled in green below, and also disconnect the MAF input to the DISA, circled in orange, by getting a flat head screw driver under the clip and pulling gently. Tuck it out of the way with the other one, and tuck the larger plastic felxi hoses back under the strut brace.
Next, remove the bracket that the rubber connectors were attached to, circled in red – you will need a socket set ratchet with an adaptor to fit a torx screw driver head into as there’s not a lot of space :
At this point I made my first error of judgement, though I didn’t realise it until I went to put everything back together. I undid the jubilee clip on the back of the sound generator connected to a bracket attached to the engine. With hindsight I should have just removed the single torx screw on the bracket and taken the whole sound generator out. So, don’t do what you see in the next pic :
The next pic shows my second error. I carefully undid the 4 torx screws holding the DISA in, but when I removed the sound generator I had left a connecting piece on, and couldn’t get the DISA out :
I loosened the jubilee clip on this part, then pulled and twisted, and pulled and twisted some more, but the little bugger wouldn’t come out… in the end I re-attached the main part of the sound generator and then used the leverage from that to pull it off. So, I should have just undone that one in the first place, leaving me with it looking like this :
Out with the DISA, a wee peek inside – looks nice and clean, no deposits, just a bit oily hence the rag. You can see where the DISA fits in and the ‘pin’ on the end sits :
And here’s the wee beasty itself. Note that the rubber seals are green, not orange as in the M54 version, and it is all a bit different in shape. First thing I noticed is that the flap cannot be turned by hand – this version must be motorised and electronically controlled by the MAF / ECU. It was also open in this position when I removed it (hopefully that’s normal…) :
It also doesn’t have a pin on the end like the M54 version – it has a plastic coupling that is very secure :
Finally, and I guess most disappointingly, it is very, very clean, with little in the way of deposits. Bear in mind that my car is an ’06 which has just clicked over 68k miles, so I was expecting at least a little gunk – as it’s not got any, I wonder if it has been replaced before ?
I didn’t want to feel I had done nothing, so I cleaned it anyway using some of this nasty stuff :
I then started on putting it all back together – this is just a shot to show all the bits, I was quite amazed that the sound generator (sat on top of the engine) is so large, given that it’s only purpose is to… well, generate sound :
Putting it back together is simply the reverse of what you’ve done. However at this point I realised that I had made an error because I simply couldn’t get the small end of the sound generator re-attached, no matter how hard I tried – there was just too little space to get any leverage. So, if you do this then undo the torx bolt that sits in the hole circled in green in the photo below :
Then just unclip the bulkhead end of the whole assembly from the firewall and pull the whole lot out, or you could undo the jubilee clip indicated by the green arrow in the following photo. The former is simpler, and would have saved me at least 30mins of swearing and scraped knuckles :
So there you have it – a fully documented N52 DISA removal guide, complete with errors for future generations to avoid… It was pretty much a waste of a couple of hours though, as BMW seem to have learned their lesson and toughened up the part in the newer engine. That said, I am sure it can go wrong, and perhaps can get gunked up, so if it does I hope this has helped you !
UPDATED 19/03/19 - 7 years later and it would appear issues can arise with perishing of the green rubber, so don’t be lulled into a false sense of security !
Thread here from today : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113175&p=1632354#p1632354
Thanks to propaintballa for posting up the new pics
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DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
Nice write up, and it's always good to document the "gotchas"
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Thanks Stuart, just doing my bit - someone might need it sometime. Was good to have a decent look at where a Gruppe M intake might sit one day too
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Re: DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
This thread is what brought me to the is forum! Great write-up and info!!
Reason for my search is that I have been battling with a rattling noise from the engine when under load at lower revs. Car is an E90 330i manual, but same engine as above! At first I thought it was dual mass flywheel chatter, then pinging, but have since ruled this both out. Just to clarify, it's not the metallic ticking noise from the hydraulic lifters, mine is luckily not affected by this. The car has been to the agents and no codes come up. Took it to a specialist tuner and they reported that the DISA flaps are making noise - they are making constant adjustments and/or fluttering. They also ruled out pinging and verified that the knock sensors were functioning properly. Other issues are that the thermostat is not allowing the engine to get up to proper operating temperatures when cold, and the valvetronic motor is apparently out of spec by 10%.
They recommend replacing both DISA flaps and the theromostat - the valvetronic motor can be recalibrated with software (not sure). Agents had the car for this issue while it was still under motorplan but could not find these faults and fix, so with the specialist tuner's report I went back to the agents - waste of time because they insist on running their own diagnostics which is all static and shows everything it fine. DISA motors are working, but noisy, thermostat is working and of course the weather was warm when they had the car. Then they want to continue playing the "pinging is normal for these engines with our 95 unleaded fuel, and even worse with the automatics) - anyone smell that, smells like poo?!?
So considering replacing these items myself starting with DISA motor 1 which is the one shown above, so this write-up is very very helpful!
Reason for my search is that I have been battling with a rattling noise from the engine when under load at lower revs. Car is an E90 330i manual, but same engine as above! At first I thought it was dual mass flywheel chatter, then pinging, but have since ruled this both out. Just to clarify, it's not the metallic ticking noise from the hydraulic lifters, mine is luckily not affected by this. The car has been to the agents and no codes come up. Took it to a specialist tuner and they reported that the DISA flaps are making noise - they are making constant adjustments and/or fluttering. They also ruled out pinging and verified that the knock sensors were functioning properly. Other issues are that the thermostat is not allowing the engine to get up to proper operating temperatures when cold, and the valvetronic motor is apparently out of spec by 10%.
They recommend replacing both DISA flaps and the theromostat - the valvetronic motor can be recalibrated with software (not sure). Agents had the car for this issue while it was still under motorplan but could not find these faults and fix, so with the specialist tuner's report I went back to the agents - waste of time because they insist on running their own diagnostics which is all static and shows everything it fine. DISA motors are working, but noisy, thermostat is working and of course the weather was warm when they had the car. Then they want to continue playing the "pinging is normal for these engines with our 95 unleaded fuel, and even worse with the automatics) - anyone smell that, smells like poo?!?
So considering replacing these items myself starting with DISA motor 1 which is the one shown above, so this write-up is very very helpful!
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Re: DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
I really hoped someone would find this useful - so delighted to have been able to help
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Thanks again!
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Re: DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
Wow very detailed... Good work
I could barely get my airbox lid off though... So doubt i'd try this
I could barely get my airbox lid off though... So doubt i'd try this
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Just as well you don't need to, but come on - my lack of skills is clearly evidenced on my many posts, so if I can do it a well trained lemur probably couldaquazi wrote:Wow very detailed... Good work
I could barely get my airbox lid off though... So doubt i'd try this
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Re: DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
Checked mine today, all good, feels stable and the pin mechanism feels much more solid than the older version. The flap was found open and was solid in position.
Thanks for the write up Bing
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Great write up! Thanks for posting.
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Re: DISA Removal and Maintenance - N52 Engine (Pic Heavy)
Hi guys, before I purchase a new DISA can someone confirm that the actuator should be in its open position when removed? Mine is half way between open and closed, it also has a little play, should it be entirely rigid?
I've added a link to a photo of my DISA removed, hope it works.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ros1zn7rv0ju8 ... 7%2027.jpg
BTW, great write up
I've added a link to a photo of my DISA removed, hope it works.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ros1zn7rv0ju8 ... 7%2027.jpg
BTW, great write up
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Mine was fully open and didn't move by hand - if I recall correctly I felt that if I forced it I'd break it. So on the basis of my experience only, I'd say it should be fully open and shouldn't move... Not sure if someone else can confirm ?
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Thanks Bing, I have intro'd in the newbies section. I've added a pic too of my Z. I'll add a few more now I know how
Thanks for replying, I will try and get a video of the movement in the DISA it'll be easier to show rather than explain, I just want to be sure before I spent the £220 on a replacement. It's odd because it's position is not closed nor open but I between.
Also suspect my CCV is iffy, quite a lot of oil sat in the intake.
Thanks for replying, I will try and get a video of the movement in the DISA it'll be easier to show rather than explain, I just want to be sure before I spent the £220 on a replacement. It's odd because it's position is not closed nor open but I between.
Also suspect my CCV is iffy, quite a lot of oil sat in the intake.
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