Parking fine

obewan · Post by **obewan** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:51 pm

It's an invoice not a fine.

Start the 'letter tennis' by asking how they've arrived at such a figure.
Say the car park wasn't full at the time you parked up (so the pub hasn't lost revenue). Offer £1.00 as a goodwill gesture
They'll soon get fed up as it will cost them more in time/effort/postage

MikeyH · Post by **MikeyH** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:00 pm

But be careful not to admit any guilt because after all you had parked there for years without payment being necessary and the signs were not that visible.

And if they refuse £1.00 offer then 50 pence

smorris_12 · Post by **smorris_12** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:04 pm

obewan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:51 pm It's an invoice not a fine.

Is that still true? I thought there'd been a change in law some years ago that meant they've got actual clout now. All part of the same thing that means you can't ignore the letters any more, IIRC.

Scubaregs · Post by **Scubaregs** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:33 pm

Intercourse them.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:52 pm

dr_john wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:08 pm Just had an email from the parking company, my appeal is rejected but the fine is reduced from £60 to £20. I’m tempted to pay it and hope that the pub may recover it.

Don't pay.

All the pub landlord has to do is contact the parking company and tell them to delete the charge.

PS. Yes it is still a charge and not a fine. Only the Police and local authority can issue fines.

The charge is for trespass on private land and the charge can only be issued by (Not on behalf of by a third party) someone who has a proprietary interest in the land. i.e. The owners of the land which these parking companies are not.

That argument is how I won both my cases with Parking Eye. I simply asked them and the land owner to provide proof that Parking Eye had part ownership of the land.

obewan · Post by **obewan** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:03 pm

smorris_12 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:04 pm
obewan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:51 pm It's an invoice not a fine.
Is that still true? I thought there'd been a change in law some years ago that meant they've got actual clout now. All part of the same thing that means you can't ignore the letters any more, IIRC.

As far as I'm aware, yes
June '23 Moneysupermarket.com states

'Parking Charge Notice/PCN - Invoices issued by private companies for parking on private land
If you overstay in a supermarket, hospital or other private car park, you could end up with one of these. Despite the identical acronym, a Parking Charge Notice is different to a Penalty Charge Notice. The former isn’t backed by law. Think of it more as an invoice for breaking the terms and conditions of the private company which operates the car park.'

TOMGREEN413 · Post by **TOMGREEN413** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:09 am

Pondrew wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 10:25 am I wouldn't give them a penny!

I would write back to the parking company and explain the circumstances; that you were using the patrons car park for it's intended purpose.
I would also write to the pub owners and explain the same.

If you used the pub car park purely for using the pub then no-one is going to take you to court. They may threaten it but they won't do it.

excellent advice, maybe even try calling their bluff and explain that your considering taking them to court over this matter or if your not confident in the matter explain that due to the cost of living crisis you are willing to pay them ( so can't be done for refusing to pay) but it will have to be £1 a month. I'd send them 65 post dated cheques for a £1 and that way they have full payment.

TOMGREEN413 · Post by **TOMGREEN413** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:12 am

Off topic but I've just hit 800 posts.......ever nearer the 1000 and four stars I'm dreaming of......( I need to get out more

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MikeyH · Post by **MikeyH** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:33 am

Well done

Pondrew · Post by **Pondrew** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:48 pm

TOMGREEN413 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:12 am Off topic but I've just hit 800 posts.

Amateur!

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:51 pm

Pondrew wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:48 pm
TOMGREEN413 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:12 am Off topic but I've just hit 800 posts.
Amateur!

He has a coupe so nothing ever exciting worth talking about ever happens

Pondrew · Post by **Pondrew** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:56 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:51 pm
Pondrew wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:48 pm
TOMGREEN413 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:12 am Off topic but I've just hit 800 posts.
Amateur!
He has a coupe so nothing ever exciting worth talking about ever happens

I don't have either but still manage to talk shite for England!

Edit; actually I will be the proud (?) owner of a Z roadster on Thursday. Just not a 4!

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:10 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:51 pm
Pondrew wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:48 pm
TOMGREEN413 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 1:12 am Off topic but I've just hit 800 posts.
Amateur!
He has a coupe so nothing ever exciting worth talking about ever happens

Ouch! Truth however often hurts

dr_john · Post by **dr_john** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:59 pm

It’s over.

I received a letter from the parking company today cancelling the fine. No apology, but a happy outcome.

It seems that the pub landlord realised that the adverse publicity he was getting and loss of trade from disgruntled customers forced him to take action against the company, Civil Enforcement.

Pondrew · Post by **Pondrew** » Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:13 pm

dr_john wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:59 pm I received a letter from the parking company today cancelling the fine. No apology, but a happy outcome.

Good news! Took a while, though!

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