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Re: Hi! Help me pick a Z4! :)

Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:43 am

Ste wrote:Alright Tom,

With regards to your op:

1) Correct, the 2.0 comes with a four cylinder engine though whereas the 2.2, 2.5 and 3.0 are six.

2) My 3.0 Z4 theoretically does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds with 213bhp according to this. My current MPG is about the 30 mark with mostly town driving and a bit of country roads. As with alot of cars, its alot about how you drive it with regards to what economy you get, on a long steady motorway run you can be knocking on the door of 40. As mowflow once said to me, you can drive it like a gentleman or drive it like a bitch and it really is night and day the way you feel in the car as to how you drive it. In terms of insurance/tax/mpg there's really not a lot of difference between the 2.5 and the 3.0 so I'd really say if you can, go for the 3.0 or you'll regret not.

3) The vast majority of Z's do have heated seats, its just a case of looking for one with the option. Other options which some have and some don't you may want to consider are cruise control, multi function steering wheel, and the carver sound system.

4) I've just fitted a new set of Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas to my Z, cost £430 from camskill (had to pay fitting on top), and they're tremendous tyres. Most Z's come with 17" wheels which i think run 225/45/17 usually but many people myself included opt to upgrade to 18" with a staggered setup. As with anything its up to yourself how cheap or expensive the tyres are by virtue of what sort of level you go for.

5) Running costs are no more then you'd expect really, tax for the 3.0 is currently £280 for the year, if you want to keep it serviced you'll need a few quid ready, and then there's the petrol costs because you just want to drive and drive and drive these things.

6) Quality german engineering in the main and these engines can all but take a bomb hit, as long as you find a decent well looked after one reliability is fine. Roof motors do sometimes fail due to water ingress, which you'll find loads of information about on here, and failed rear springs are a re-occuring issue for many with OEM springs, but that's not a particularly pricey repair and you can upgrade with some better aftermarket springs.

These cars really are a joy to drive, low down, fast, powerful, noisy, great to look at and built to be driven hard and fast, but with the added luxury of being just as fun to drop the hood and take a nice leisurely drive if you fancy it.

Good luck :thumbsup:
Cruise control is another feature I would really like. When you're trying to drive economically it is very nice! I would also like some decent iPod connectivity. From looking at the dash board, I can't see that you would be able to fit an after market head unit? Not really looked into the steering wheels yet. My initial impression was the M had controls on it & the others didn't. A lot of people seem to get hold of an M steering wheel though.

I'm ok with paying that for tyres, I've seen some scary figures quoted for the Z4 though!

I think it's the grey Z4 I would go for too, looks soooo nice.

What are the higher milage Z4's like? Because I'm going to be looking at the cheaper end of the scale I'm probably looking at 2003 - 2005 with 80K (if im lucky) to 100K ish on the clock. Any advice?

On another note, this one looks nice. and would be the sort of price id be paying. What is depreciation like too?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... al/1392906

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Re: Hi! Help me pick a Z4! :)

Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:45 am

NeilP wrote:DON'T get the 6 cylinder. Mine keeps encouraging me to drive. Gets expensive. :lol:
Oh the things I would do for a Z4 Coupe. =D

I'm also wanting a Z4 to get away from the ''boy racer'' scene. Not saying I was one.

But let's be honest, the whole ST/RS range screams boy racer.

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Re: Hi! Help me pick a Z4! :)

Post by NeilP » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:56 am

I totally agree.

Is there any reason you don't want a coupe? (They only come with the 3.0 block though)

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Re: Hi! Help me pick a Z4! :)

Post by Ste » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:59 am

TomTomST wrote: Cruise control is another feature I would really like. When you're trying to drive economically it is very nice! I would also like some decent iPod connectivity. From looking at the dash board, I can't see that you would be able to fit an after market head unit? Not really looked into the steering wheels yet. My initial impression was the M had controls on it & the others didn't. A lot of people seem to get hold of an M steering wheel though.

I'm ok with paying that for tyres, I've seen some scary figures quoted for the Z4 though!

I think it's the grey Z4 I would go for too, looks soooo nice.

What are the higher milage Z4's like? Because I'm going to be looking at the cheaper end of the scale I'm probably looking at 2003 - 2005 with 80K (if im lucky) to 100K ish on the clock. Any advice?

On another note, this one looks nice. and would be the sort of price id be paying. What is depreciation like too?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/ ... al/1392906
Cruise and Aux input/intravee are pretty easy retrofits which you'll probably be able to do yourself so don't let those put you off a car as such. Sterling Grey is a great choice, looks really good with the lines for me (hence why I chose it too)

There's alot of these around on relatively low miles due to being used as garage queens/weekend cars etc so finding a low mileage model that's reasonably priced (mine was on 55k when I bought it) isn't out of the question but like I said the engines are pretty bulletproof so a well looked after and serviced 80k+ isn't anything particular to worry about.

Have a look at the classifieds section here for whats selling/sold recently to give you an idea of costs/specs/options etc:
http://z4-forum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=41

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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:08 pm

NeilP wrote:I totally agree.

Is there any reason you don't want a coupe? (They only come with the 3.0 block though)
Cost. They seem to start from around 10K

6K is what I'm looking to spend, 7K at a push for a nice spec, lower miles etc. But I can't give it another 3K unfortunately.

I am looking at the 3.0 now, seeing as there is no insurance price difference, MPG is pretty much the same & not much in tax.

I'm guessing maintenance costs are the same too really?

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Post by aquazi » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:14 pm

My wife has a fiesta 61 reg fiesta.

Spec wise its better then my Z (which has nearly all the toys)

BT audio streaming and usb integration, to name a few.

Driving hard her fiesta is easier to drive, and prob quicker around roundabouts (in real life driving) also handles pot hole laden A roads better!

However despite the above... My car is a zillion times more fun! Roof down, bit of tail happy rear end sliding cant be beaten!

Also 0-60 isnt everything... (Although Mine is much faster :lol: ) But on the A roads i can overtake without a struggle... Which the little displacement turbo fiesta struggles.

You'll have to drive one and see for yourself... But imo it isnt about what stats and figures say on paper!


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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:15 pm

Cruise and Aux input/intravee are pretty easy retrofits which you'll probably be able to do yourself so don't let those put you off a car as such. Sterling Grey is a great choice, looks really good with the lines for me (hence why I chose it too)

There's alot of these around on relatively low miles due to being used as garage queens/weekend cars etc so finding a low mileage model that's reasonably priced (mine was on 55k when I bought it) isn't out of the question but like I said the engines are pretty bulletproof so a well looked after and serviced 80k+ isn't anything particular to worry about.

Have a look at the classifieds section here for whats selling/sold recently to give you an idea of costs/specs/options etc:
http://z4-forum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=41
Ah, that's good to know that I can retro fit that. Means I can focus on other more important things when buying a vehicle.

I'll have a look through the classifieds on here thanks.

If the ST gets picked up today I'm hoping to go and test drive a couple today to get a bit of a feel for them. Just hoping they'l take a 22 year old turning up in a 1.2 T reg corsa B seriously when wanting to test drive a 2.5/3.0 L Z4...

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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:21 pm

aquazi wrote:My wife has a fiesta 61 reg fiesta.

Spec wise its better then my Z (which has nearly all the toys)

BT audio streaming and usb integration, to name a few.

Driving hard her fiesta is easier to drive, and prob quicker around roundabouts (in real life driving) also handles pot hole laden A roads better!

However despite the above... My car is a zillion times more fun! Roof down, bit of tail happy rear end sliding cant be beaten!

Also 0-60 isnt everything... (Although Mine is much faster :lol: ) But on the A roads i can overtake without a struggle... Which the little displacement turbo fiesta struggles.

You'll have to drive one and see for yourself... But imo it isnt about what stats and figures say on paper!


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Yep, those Mk7 & 7.5 fiestas have a lot of toys. My MK6 didn't have that much as the MK6's didn't anyway. Full heated leather, heated windscreen & side mirrors, Airon. Pretty much all I think! I will miss the heated windscreen though. I cannot begin to tell you how amazing that is. Best feeling ever is when you're deicing your car at work in the evening & wave bye bye to the porsche next to you whilst he is scraping the ice of his windscreen & you're just sat on heated seats for 30secs waiting for it to thaw. =P

I actually live in the country, so I have A & B roads all around me (Mendip hills). So I'm in a nice area for driving.

Yes, I agree, paper figures aren't everything. Besides which, most people don't/can't achieve the stated stats anyway.

But Test Drive it will have to be!! In all honesty, it's probably going to be about a months time before I get one at the earliest. Would be nice to get one before the summer ends though.

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Post by aquazi » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:27 pm

If its any consolation the heated seats on mine get hot quicker... And the 3 bar setting is hotter (although i limit myself to just 1 bar, but she has it set to 3 all the time)

Maybe as mine has leather and hers has fabric seats :?

But heated windscreen is amazing in the fiesta! Also demisting in hers is quicker.... I think its due to the screens being more upright and less curved.


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Post by BlueBolt » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:40 pm

TomTomST wrote: Yep, Oversteer got the better of me. No other cars involved.
Really??? And now you want a 3.0 RWD car?????
TomTomST wrote: Joys of Ford is parts are cheap.
That's because they need to be able to supply the demand that is caused by Fix Or Repair Daily!!!


Right, seriously.....!!!
You lost the back end of a front wheel drive car, with less than 200 ponies, and weighs not too far off 1200Kg... A car that "should" handle well, being small, and from a heritage of reasonably well handling cars...
Now, you want a 3.0 REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!??????? :cry:

On what planet do you live that makes this a wise choice??? Use the money to go and learn to drive a fast car to its limits and learn all about the joys of using lift off oversteer to your advantage rather than to the detriment of your car or other people... I'd say it was pretty lucky that there was no-one else involved in the accident, unless it was done on track???
Sorry, but someone has to say these things sometimes to make you wake up a bit??
Stick with something that has a roof!!! A RWD car is completely different to drive hard and fast!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of hot hatches (although French are more my taste with 205GTI's and Williams Clio's), and chucking loads of power into them with ITB's and such... Stick with your idea of a Focus ST or something like that which won't likely kill you...

Sorry, again, only my 2p worth, but you're mental if you lost the back end of a Fiesta and now want a Z4 3.0!!!

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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:01 pm

aquazi wrote:If its any consolation the heated seats on mine get hot quicker... And the 3 bar setting is hotter (although i limit myself to just 1 bar, but she has it set to 3 all the time)

Maybe as mine has leather and hers has fabric seats :?

But heated windscreen is amazing in the fiesta! Also demisting in hers is quicker.... I think its due to the screens being more upright and less curved.


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I was actually referring to the windscreen when I said that. =P

But in all honesty, the seats still took a similar amount of time. You couldn't control the temperature though which was a bit annoying. On or Off & the thermostat just kept cutting in and out.

having the 3 bar setting is a win.

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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:10 pm

BlueBolt wrote:
Right, seriously.....!!!
You lost the back end of a front wheel drive car, with less than 200 ponies, and weighs not too far off 1200Kg... A car that "should" handle well, being small, and from a heritage of reasonably well handling cars...
Now, you want a 3.0 REAR WHEEL DRIVE!!!??????? :cry:

On what planet do you live that makes this a wise choice??? Use the money to go and learn to drive a fast car to its limits and learn all about the joys of using lift off oversteer to your advantage rather than to the detriment of your car or other people... I'd say it was pretty lucky that there was no-one else involved in the accident, unless it was done on track???
Sorry, but someone has to say these things sometimes to make you wake up a bit??
Stick with something that has a roof!!! A RWD car is completely different to drive hard and fast!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of hot hatches (although French are more my taste with 205GTI's and Williams Clio's), and chucking loads of power into them with ITB's and such... Stick with your idea of a Focus ST or something like that which won't likely kill you...

Sorry, again, only my 2p worth, but you're mental if you lost the back end of a Fiesta and now want a Z4 3.0!!!
It wasn't quite the case of simply ''oversteer''. Was a bit more to it than that. But it's down as a valuable learning experience now.

Well, I haven't knocked out the idea of any of the engine sizes really. It's all about research, which is exactly what I'm doing.

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Post by TomTomST » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:56 pm

went to view a black one today. didn't drive it as i was at the dealers at about 5;15pm.

really liked it, I think the black one might be the one i'd get. It's between silver, black and grey anyway.

I had no intentions of buying that one though, not going to be for a month of so until I would/could get one.

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Post by danmiddle2 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:44 am

TomTomST wrote:went to view a black one today. didn't drive it as i was at the dealers at about 5;15pm.

really liked it, I think the black one might be the one i'd get. It's between silver, black and grey anyway.

I had no intentions of buying that one though, not going to be for a month of so until I would/could get one.
No harm in a test drive. I get really annoyed at dealers that expect you to make some kind of commitment before letting you out in the car... what if I don't like it? Private is a little different, but a dealer should be fairly flexible.

Black looks good, mine is black... but it is a PITA to keep clean. I am sure it attracts dusty dirt like a magnet! Sometimes by the time I have finished cleaning the second half of the car the first half is dirty again! Worth it though.
BlueBolt wrote: On what planet do you live that makes this a wise choice??? Use the money to go and learn to drive a fast car to its limits and learn all about the joys of using lift off oversteer to your advantage rather than to the detriment of your car or other people... I'd say it was pretty lucky that there was no-one else involved in the accident, unless it was done on track???
Sorry, but someone has to say these things sometimes to make you wake up a bit??
Stick with something that has a roof!!! A RWD car is completely different to drive hard and fast!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of hot hatches (although French are more my taste with 205GTI's and Williams Clio's), and chucking loads of power into them with ITB's and such... Stick with your idea of a Focus ST or something like that which won't likely kill you...

Sorry, again, only my 2p worth, but you're mental if you lost the back end of a Fiesta and now want a Z4 3.0!!!
I think we have all made mistakes to one degree or another. I know I have. I actually have a video somewhere of an Escort that a friend of mine chucked into a ditch once whilst learning how to drive in the rain. It happens.

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Post by ItHurts » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:34 pm

danmiddle2 wrote:I think we have all made mistakes to one degree or another. I know I have.
x2. There's no one who hasn't "run out of ability" at some stage.

Test drive it and make your own mind up. Have you driven any other RWD cars though - they do behave differently, especially if you drive "progressively"?

Having driven both: hot hatches of various guises, and a number of RWD two seaters - I'd go RWD every time.
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