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- Lifer
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I was obviously taking the piss earlier, as I don't by the car for the M badge, but for the performance. It was just that I wanted the most powerful model of a specific series and the M happened to be it for the BMW range. When I bought my first e34 M5, I was also looking at Audi RS4/RS6, C43/E55 AMG, Jag XJR, etc.
You could say anything that didn't/doesn't have a variation of the original M1 engine isn't really an 'M car' - but then you'd get all the e30 M3 fans up in arms - and the M1 didn't even have an 'S' series engine, it was an M88, which then went on to become the S38 as used in the e28 M5, e24 M6 and e34 M5 (3.6 & 3.8 versions) - so you could say only those were true M-cars.
You could go on and on with different arguments to validate your specific little opinion, but it wouldn't make any of them correct - as we all know the M stands for 'Marketing' and not Motorsport. As none of the original M-cars could ever be used for motorsport without some serious modifications, and were just an opportunity to sell 'sports cars' on the back of BMW motorsport success. I suppose you could argue that some of the newer GTS/GT4 models are closer to the race cars, but they still have their creature comforts for the road.
What does piss me off though is the way BMW apply their 'M tax' despite the parts/cars being made in exactly the same place as non-M cars, and the service monkeys essentially carrying out the same job and charging twice the price
I'd hate to think how much a normal, modern M-car would be if it was still hand-built though
You could say anything that didn't/doesn't have a variation of the original M1 engine isn't really an 'M car' - but then you'd get all the e30 M3 fans up in arms - and the M1 didn't even have an 'S' series engine, it was an M88, which then went on to become the S38 as used in the e28 M5, e24 M6 and e34 M5 (3.6 & 3.8 versions) - so you could say only those were true M-cars.
You could go on and on with different arguments to validate your specific little opinion, but it wouldn't make any of them correct - as we all know the M stands for 'Marketing' and not Motorsport. As none of the original M-cars could ever be used for motorsport without some serious modifications, and were just an opportunity to sell 'sports cars' on the back of BMW motorsport success. I suppose you could argue that some of the newer GTS/GT4 models are closer to the race cars, but they still have their creature comforts for the road.
What does piss me off though is the way BMW apply their 'M tax' despite the parts/cars being made in exactly the same place as non-M cars, and the service monkeys essentially carrying out the same job and charging twice the price
I'd hate to think how much a normal, modern M-car would be if it was still hand-built though
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I love the look of both the 1M and the M2, bit ott, yes but I like that!Franzino wrote: βSat May 27, 2017 9:39 amCorrect...for me personally I had this feeling more with the 1M then with the M2. M2 looks still angry but more mature. The look grow on me and now I rather like how the car looks. But the looks are not the main reason I bought my M2...the way it drives (for that price) is the main reason I bought mine. ASD is indeed stupid; so I disabled itArgenta wrote: βSat May 27, 2017 6:01 am What I have problems with on the later M cars is the clumsy, cartoonish design language. They seem designed by kids, for kids.
"Look at me I'm the angriest!"
Compared to any bangle-era car like our Z4M or older, they just loose out even before we start talking engine's or computer game-ish fake exhaust notes from the bloody speakers..
My two cents!
I would of loved a 1M to go along side the zed but I couldn't justify putting 10-15k miles a year on one, doesn't seem right to me anyway.
How do you disable the ASD?
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I'm completely with you, not saying they aren't true M cars just saying the scope has changed just like with the GT3s to make them more saleable and easier to drive etc.Franzino wrote: βThu May 25, 2017 9:39 pmI'm a somewhat of a purist and used to be also like that until I drove a 1M and M2....on paper they may no be real M cars, but they feel like the real, exiting deal...even with turbo engines. A Porsche 991 GT3 with PDK feels also like a real Porsche GT even if it does not have a Mezger engine and PDK only. On the other hand; the new 4 cilinder turbo Cayman/Boxster is not a true Porsche for me anymore and I don't get it who would want to buy a 4 cilinder P-car...RedUn wrote: βThu May 25, 2017 8:34 pm Interesting thread!
I think the purists will never accept a real M car with a turbo engine no matter how good it is?
Ive just picked up a 240 which has got the new b58 engine and what an engine it is but it doesn't give the same feeling as the s54 no matter how fast it is?
I think for me that a true M car is based on feeling?
I can't agree more about the 4 cylinder porsches though, I mean I can accept putting a turbo on for the efficiency etc but it needs to be at least 6 cylinders so that it feels different?
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Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12 not sure who I'd be fooling though.
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12 not sure who I'd be fooling though.
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
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Wtf is the carly app!? Hahagannet wrote: βSat May 27, 2017 4:06 pm Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12 not sure who I'd be fooling though.
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
Sounds like I need to spend some time on Google
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doesn't take long if you google 'carly app'...RedUn wrote: βSat May 27, 2017 6:09 pmWtf is the carly app!? Hahagannet wrote: βSat May 27, 2017 4:06 pm Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12 not sure who I'd be fooling though.
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
Sounds like I need to spend some time on Google
but for your convenience and anyone else looking who hasnt heard about it: Carly App
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Finally had a chance to drive the car properly yesterday at the Yorkshire Moors. Unfortunately I am too cheap to let someone else drive my zed so my friend had to chase me in a 116d. Lol.
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You say a 116D but personally I don't class these current generation of Diesel engines real Diesel engines
M2 looks great
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It's great to hear that the Z4M is still relevant and rewarding compared to it's closest modern-day equivalents.
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Now that's taking the piss at us black smoke enthusiasts!
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OP, since you have a white M2 what are your thoughts on the M side stripes? http://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/topics/disco ... FooterNote
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I won't mind the M performance strips if that's what you are referring (can't open the link) as they make the car even more aggressive. However, as I am using this as my daily driver including business, I will probably look a bit silly turning up at my client's in a car with racing strips.carl wrote: βMon May 29, 2017 2:43 pm OP, since you have a white M2 what are your thoughts on the M side stripes? http://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/topics/disco ... FooterNote
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great drive! envy the manual shift...Franzino wrote: βFri Jun 02, 2017 7:04 pm Having some fun with my M2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSvyfF2oIjI
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I agree about the intent of the original M cars (the intent of the current M cars seems to be that customers will pay more for anything with an M attached hether or not the car warrants it).Franzino wrote: βThu May 25, 2017 9:39 am By the way; a "normal" M-car is NOT build for the track! You can indeed use them on the track; but a BMW M is initially designed as a fun and exiting street car (with still some comfort and useability). For example; a standard Z4M is not great on track...the brakes are crap...you can make it great on track but a BMW M is not designed as mainly a track car.
In regard to your comment about the Z4M brakes, I haven't had the same experience. Perhaps you are talking about the stock BMW supplied pad material? I use Porterfield R-4S and am quite pleased with them.
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