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Monkey mans power adder
- jimmybell
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Balls - i've been in your town a few times in the past month and didn't consider hitting you up to say hi - would be super keen to see this beast now!
V12 Vantage S - Hammerhead Silver, Manual, Lightweight Wheels, Exterior Carbon++, Carbon Buckets, AMR Performance Pack.
M135i LCI - ZF8, White, HK Audio, Adaptive
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GONE Z4 M Coupe, Imola, CSLs
GONE C63 AMG, Black, Performance Pack+, LSD, HK
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- Machine monkey
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Always a pleasure meeting up buddy. Next time you come she might be running.
I see you have moved on. Shame but all good things and that. I have been meaning to read your post. I want to know what’s next??
I see you have moved on. Shame but all good things and that. I have been meaning to read your post. I want to know what’s next??
- jimmybell
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V12 Vantage S - Hammerhead Silver, Manual, Lightweight Wheels, Exterior Carbon++, Carbon Buckets, AMR Performance Pack.
M135i LCI - ZF8, White, HK Audio, Adaptive
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GONE Z4 M Coupe, Imola, CSLs
GONE C63 AMG, Black, Performance Pack+, LSD, HK
M135i LCI - ZF8, White, HK Audio, Adaptive
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GONE Z4 M Coupe, Imola, CSLs
GONE C63 AMG, Black, Performance Pack+, LSD, HK
- Machine monkey
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A little update on this. I have not had much time to play with the car Mrs Monkey has started back at work. Si family time is difficult and time to play with cars is a rare commodity right now.
I have driven the car steering and clutch changes are amazing. It sounds nuts!!! Like completely bonkers but the piggyback is not working out well. So I need to find another way to add and control more fuel. And timing and boost. Lots of ideas even some I can just about afford. Just waiting to hear back from some tuning shops.
My fear is that I will need to run a stand-alone ECU to control the engine. But I don’t want to lose abs t/c air con and stuff like that. So it’s a complicated instal and completely above mine or friends ability to do. And I just can afford the cost of this at the moment.
So to sum things up. This type of build is very difficult. Lots more work money and time will be needed than you first think. There will be problems! I have felt like giving up recently. But I won’t! I may have to take a brake and put the car back to NA fir a while. As not driving the car is really what’s getting me down. Or if my plans work out and what I hope is posible is posible then it maybe finished soon. But I won’t be putting too many eggs in that basket.
Thanks for reading forum friends
I have driven the car steering and clutch changes are amazing. It sounds nuts!!! Like completely bonkers but the piggyback is not working out well. So I need to find another way to add and control more fuel. And timing and boost. Lots of ideas even some I can just about afford. Just waiting to hear back from some tuning shops.
My fear is that I will need to run a stand-alone ECU to control the engine. But I don’t want to lose abs t/c air con and stuff like that. So it’s a complicated instal and completely above mine or friends ability to do. And I just can afford the cost of this at the moment.
So to sum things up. This type of build is very difficult. Lots more work money and time will be needed than you first think. There will be problems! I have felt like giving up recently. But I won’t! I may have to take a brake and put the car back to NA fir a while. As not driving the car is really what’s getting me down. Or if my plans work out and what I hope is posible is posible then it maybe finished soon. But I won’t be putting too many eggs in that basket.
Thanks for reading forum friends
- Beedub
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tell us more about how you feel about the steering?? really interested in that feedback!!
ohhhh man gutted to hear about the fueling issues!! but WOW what an effort!! incredible tbh!
ohhhh man gutted to hear about the fueling issues!! but WOW what an effort!! incredible tbh!
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- Machine monkey
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I have only driven the car about 5 miles. But as soon as the car moved it felt right. The weight was right positive communitive. Before it just felt woolly?! Sure you knew what the wheels where doing but know you KNOW! And my alignment was way off and the steering wheel at a funny angle due to replacing some other bits and having suspension stuff out.
And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense? Now it’s positive. It’s like a clutch delay on steroids and 2 gym sessions a day for 6 months!! It’s very on off right now but i am sure when it beds in it will be great. Add to that how quick the engine revs now due to the light fly wheel. It’s made the car much more focused and better suited to me and what i wanted from my car.
It really feels like clutch bakes steering suspension. All the mods i have done are working together to be the car i wanted it to be. Obviously minus the big elephant in the room. It’s missing the extra go I wanted.
The piggy back would let us control timing but not fuel how we would want. And it’s just time to call it a day with the piggy back. I am speaking to some well know Tuners and some not so well known. But the likes of ESS can run boosted cars on stock ECUs no reason why I can’t? I just need to find the right person and the right way of controlling boost and it could be ok. I can afford this approach. But not a standalone ECU at 3k installed and tested and mapped!!
- MrPT
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Awesome. Despite the setbacks it’s still always great to read about your projects, Mat!
The steering change should let you get a lot more out of experimenting with front tyre pressures. Makes a massive difference on the M, I guess partially because of the heavier engine, but it’ll still be worth it on a 3L. Maybe 5psi between “driving on sand” and “bicycle tyres on concrete”.
The steering change should let you get a lot more out of experimenting with front tyre pressures. Makes a massive difference on the M, I guess partially because of the heavier engine, but it’ll still be worth it on a 3L. Maybe 5psi between “driving on sand” and “bicycle tyres on concrete”.
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- GuidoK
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I think thats more the conventional clutch instead of the BMW SAC clutch than the flywheel.Machine monkey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:53 am
And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense?
When I went to my Sachs race engineering clutch I had the same increase in feedback (although my clutch is not really on-off, its still very regulative although the bite point is much easier felt/to predict.
Do you have any gearbox chatter with your single mass?
I think you have a UUC setup? Do you know how heavy the flywheel is?
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- Machine monkey
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I can’t comment to much about chatter I have not driven it mush. And my only short drive was a bit sensory overload with all the changes. I didn’t notice any chatter but that’s not to say I wont latter. I am not bothered about that either. And it being a bit off on i was warned about this. And after 500miles or so it should be much more progressive. The flywheel weighs in at 8.5lbs apparently. It felt much lighter to the original.GuidoK wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:10 amI think thats more the conventional clutch instead of the BMW SAC clutch than the flywheel.Machine monkey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:53 am
And the clutch is exactly the same. Duel mass is an added layer of protection. A bit squishy if that makes sense?
When I went to my Sachs race engineering clutch I had the same increase in feedback (although my clutch is not really on-off, its still very regulative although the bite point is much easier felt/to predict.
Do you have any gearbox chatter with your single mass?
I think you have a UUC setup? Do you know how heavy the flywheel is?
Yes it’s a UUC set up.
- Machine monkey
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MrPT wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:06 am Awesome. Despite the setbacks it’s still always great to read about your projects, Mat!
The steering change should let you get a lot more out of experimenting with front tyre pressures. Makes a massive difference on the M, I guess partially because of the heavier engine, but it’ll still be worth it on a 3L. Maybe 5psi between “driving on sand” and “bicycle tyres on concrete”.
Good to know and I can’t wait to drive it and find out.
To be fair setbacks on things like this are expected. I was maybe a little naive not to expect these problems. I just hope i can fix them now. And not have to go back to NA and save for another year 18 months.
- ph001
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WOW! I'm a relatively newcomer to this forum (only got my Zed in Sep) so never saw any of this thread first time around but what can I say, what an incredible, awesome, crazy project. Love it to bits. I'm an electronics engineer and love tinkering so am completely in awe of what you have done here. Really sad to see it never quite got there with the mapping and tuning - totally understand your frustration there as have played with piggyback aftermarket ecu's myself a little in the past and they always gave major headaches.
I think you will find a great many of your problems will disappear with a proper custom standalone ecu - it's the only way you will be able to control everything to make it fuel properly. I have no idea how people like ESS get it to run right on the standard ECU.
So, keep your chin up mate, get saving and get the right ECU in there. Good luck with getting it all over the finish line, a privilege to read all your posts on this so far.
I think you will find a great many of your problems will disappear with a proper custom standalone ecu - it's the only way you will be able to control everything to make it fuel properly. I have no idea how people like ESS get it to run right on the standard ECU.
So, keep your chin up mate, get saving and get the right ECU in there. Good luck with getting it all over the finish line, a privilege to read all your posts on this so far.
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Thanks buddyph001 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:49 am WOW! I'm a relatively newcomer to this forum (only got my Zed in Sep) so never saw any of this thread first time around but what can I say, what an incredible, awesome, crazy project. Love it to bits. I'm an electronics engineer and love tinkering so am completely in awe of what you have done here. Really sad to see it never quite got there with the mapping and tuning - totally understand your frustration there as have played with piggyback aftermarket ecu's myself a little in the past and they always gave major headaches.
I think you will find a great many of your problems will disappear with a proper custom standalone ecu - it's the only way you will be able to control everything to make it fuel properly. I have no idea how people like ESS get it to run right on the standard ECU.
So, keep your chin up mate, get saving and get the right ECU in there. Good luck with getting it all over the finish line, a privilege to read all your posts on this so far.
Sounds like between us we could build some wild projects.
The piggyback is just a bad solution. When I started it was going to be a quick dirty eBay turbo build. After speaking to a guy yesterday. He thinks the standard ECU is a very powerful tool. And you just need to find someone who knows how to manipulate it. People that say it can’t be done (according to him) just don’t have the correct knowledge. I have made contact with the guy he recommended. His words again if it’s possible said person can do it.
But agreed a standalone is the best solution. Some of the newer stuff and higher end has can bus connectivity too. But i may be looking to run a standalone and the cars ECU in parallel if i go this route. Once i have saved up.
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It sounds like a long on road Matt but keep plugging away
You're doing way more than most people even dream about doing to there cars.
You're doing way more than most people even dream about doing to there cars.
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- Machine monkey
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And it’s for good reasons buddy! It’s aged me and it might still cost me my marriage!!
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Hi Matt, when i installed my supercharger kit i had to use a bit of software that created a file, i then had to email it to VF Engineering who altered it as i have forced induction and bigger injectors, i then reinstalled it, i'm using standard ecu.
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