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Quad Conversion - Project Write up
- cj10jeeper
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Quad Conversion - Project Write up
I’ve had several requests to pull together a brief write up of the project to convert to a Quad system, so here we go:
My intention was to continue to develop the Zed inline with my overall theme, not replicate an ///M but bring the rear in line with the rest of the car. I set some overall criteria:
• The exhaust had to be fully functional and not dummy pipes, or a cheaper ‘T’ off the back box. Noise levels to be acceptable, net weight the same and no drop in performance (nor gains sought)
• Luggage space had to be maintained.
• I had sourced a pair of brand new M boxes (thank you Ebay £21 Vs £850) so wanted to go with them if possible.
• Controlled costs as this was experimental.
• It had to say ‘OEM’ or at least BMW could have done that.
The movement of parts
A lot of space had to be cleared to get the RHS box in as it’s a space already full of components. (Hence the reason why on the ///M BMW just lobbed the battery on a tray in the boot and hid it under carpet)
Battery had to be removed, box narrowed by 20cm heat welded back together and new Hawker battery fitted. New earth lead fitted.
The boot floor was plated, sprayed and sealed in. Great job by MRH Autos on the plate and spray work
Starter and other cables rerouted and all returned to normal in the interior, so retaining my luggage space and keeping all the OEM battery disconnects, crash sensors, etc.
The charcoal fume breather was removed (later found to be required only for OEM emission tests, but may later slot it back in between the rear boxes)
The Carbon Diffuser
Inspired by the latest race derived look appearing on many high end cars I wanted a CF diffuser on the back, but it was only available in single outlet and for the facelift as an OEM part.
The inspiration seen on several cars like these:
I also wanted to keep the OEM lights too, so switching to a later bumper cover would have meant bodywork around the lights, something to be avoided.
Lots of cutting, teasing, customising and moulding of a second exit and a prefacelift quad CF diffuser was born out of the OEM CF facelift version, that fitted the bumper and accommodated the proposed new pipes.
The new outlet moulded in:
Glossed, cut down from it's assymetric shape and finished aside minor trimmong once in place.
Not a good look though, to have been driving around for a week though with only LHS exhausts….
The new pipework
All that really remained was to couple the new boxes to the existing system. This was entrusted the MIJ who did a great job of fashioning stainless pipes, mounting everything and threading the new RHS pipework as a mirror of the LHS. The guys even flanged their pipes so the back boxes are correctly bolt mated on and we fitted an OEM ///M heat shield above the new box and various undertrays were modified. At a later stage it will be possible to bypass the main cats if required, but this was skipped for now due to unknown noise levels and sound of the system.
The Result
Well I’ll let the photos speak for themselves, but I love it. It has a very OEM look to it, obviously is fully functional and has a glorious sound that is not at all loud. My criteria were fully met too.
We’ve got 1,000 miles on it and all I needed to do was cut a little CF off the diffuser as the exhaust stretches by 10mm when hot and was touching the diffuser and the diffuser needed adjustment to sit square.
Thanks to all those who chipped in comments, kept me ‘true’ on design ideas and provided a sounding board.
Of course I'd not do it again and as the Iphone ads. say have shortened and missed some steps in what was an interesting little project
My intention was to continue to develop the Zed inline with my overall theme, not replicate an ///M but bring the rear in line with the rest of the car. I set some overall criteria:
• The exhaust had to be fully functional and not dummy pipes, or a cheaper ‘T’ off the back box. Noise levels to be acceptable, net weight the same and no drop in performance (nor gains sought)
• Luggage space had to be maintained.
• I had sourced a pair of brand new M boxes (thank you Ebay £21 Vs £850) so wanted to go with them if possible.
• Controlled costs as this was experimental.
• It had to say ‘OEM’ or at least BMW could have done that.
The movement of parts
A lot of space had to be cleared to get the RHS box in as it’s a space already full of components. (Hence the reason why on the ///M BMW just lobbed the battery on a tray in the boot and hid it under carpet)
Battery had to be removed, box narrowed by 20cm heat welded back together and new Hawker battery fitted. New earth lead fitted.
The boot floor was plated, sprayed and sealed in. Great job by MRH Autos on the plate and spray work
Starter and other cables rerouted and all returned to normal in the interior, so retaining my luggage space and keeping all the OEM battery disconnects, crash sensors, etc.
The charcoal fume breather was removed (later found to be required only for OEM emission tests, but may later slot it back in between the rear boxes)
The Carbon Diffuser
Inspired by the latest race derived look appearing on many high end cars I wanted a CF diffuser on the back, but it was only available in single outlet and for the facelift as an OEM part.
The inspiration seen on several cars like these:
I also wanted to keep the OEM lights too, so switching to a later bumper cover would have meant bodywork around the lights, something to be avoided.
Lots of cutting, teasing, customising and moulding of a second exit and a prefacelift quad CF diffuser was born out of the OEM CF facelift version, that fitted the bumper and accommodated the proposed new pipes.
The new outlet moulded in:
Glossed, cut down from it's assymetric shape and finished aside minor trimmong once in place.
Not a good look though, to have been driving around for a week though with only LHS exhausts….
The new pipework
All that really remained was to couple the new boxes to the existing system. This was entrusted the MIJ who did a great job of fashioning stainless pipes, mounting everything and threading the new RHS pipework as a mirror of the LHS. The guys even flanged their pipes so the back boxes are correctly bolt mated on and we fitted an OEM ///M heat shield above the new box and various undertrays were modified. At a later stage it will be possible to bypass the main cats if required, but this was skipped for now due to unknown noise levels and sound of the system.
The Result
Well I’ll let the photos speak for themselves, but I love it. It has a very OEM look to it, obviously is fully functional and has a glorious sound that is not at all loud. My criteria were fully met too.
We’ve got 1,000 miles on it and all I needed to do was cut a little CF off the diffuser as the exhaust stretches by 10mm when hot and was touching the diffuser and the diffuser needed adjustment to sit square.
Thanks to all those who chipped in comments, kept me ‘true’ on design ideas and provided a sounding board.
Of course I'd not do it again and as the Iphone ads. say have shortened and missed some steps in what was an interesting little project
Jaguar F-Type 3.0 Supercharged V6 S, Stratus Grey, LSD, Active Exhaust, CF wheels, Performance brakes, Sports seats and mods ongoing
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
- paddy wright
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
great job- look 4ward to seeing it on sunday!
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
The quad exhaust looks awesome. How many extra bhp does the new system give?
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- RustyZ4
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
What a fantastic job, looks good , out of my techinical league tho
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
X2...RustyZ4 wrote:What a fantastic job, looks good , out of my techinical league tho
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
looking good, probably looks even better in person id bet
- cj10jeeper
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
Cheers guys
Of course .. public outing on Sunday so you can judge in person. I cannot take photos of it, so you can't really see the shape of the CF nor the pattern, etc.
ksher - no idea if it gives more HP. The capacity of the system is greater, backpressure should be lower, but dyno aside I'd not guess as it's all to complex getting exhausts right. If it's the same (and it does feel better, but but dynos are unreliable...) then I'm happy.
Of course .. public outing on Sunday so you can judge in person. I cannot take photos of it, so you can't really see the shape of the CF nor the pattern, etc.
ksher - no idea if it gives more HP. The capacity of the system is greater, backpressure should be lower, but dyno aside I'd not guess as it's all to complex getting exhausts right. If it's the same (and it does feel better, but but dynos are unreliable...) then I'm happy.
Jaguar F-Type 3.0 Supercharged V6 S, Stratus Grey, LSD, Active Exhaust, CF wheels, Performance brakes, Sports seats and mods ongoing
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
bump- i am really looking forward to hearing itpaddy wright wrote:great job- look 4ward to seeing it on sunday!
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
Hello, new to the forum. 3.0i Z4, where is this meet?is it open to newcomers? thanks.
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check out the midlands breakfast club thread in meets section. Oh and welcome
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
Looks awesome. I had my doubts before you started the project, but it's great to see when someone isn't afraid to go the extra distance to have the job done properly. Your Z is becoming one of my favorite modified Z4's.
Btw, are your wheels refinished in a dark gray?
Btw, are your wheels refinished in a dark gray?
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
And here's another suggestion. I think the exhaust muffler boxes are now standing out a little too much with the contrast of the rear diffusor. Maybe you would consider powercoating them black.
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
Hey GP20 - thanks for the feedback and comments. You were one of the guys that 'kept me true' by ensuring I did not slip into the T pipe route and kept an eye on net weight
You are bang on the money re toning down the boxes. I already had a discussion on the forum on that point and indeed have some high temp matt black paint ready for the job (found some matt black barbeque paint, that's for spraying direct on bare metal and good for extreme temps). I decided to run it for a month and see what I thought before painting as the cans are brand new and will mellow and it's hard to revert once sprayed.
Wheels are self customised jobs with the centres being done in smoked chrome. A 3 part process of black base, wet chrome and lacquer over.
paddy - not really much to hear as it's well silenced. There is a meaningful growl once the revs rise and things get serious, but I did not want a 'ricer' box. Equally I like to 'play' without drawing too much attention via the noise. I also had a warning from Mrs CJ who gets pissed that the Hamann quad on the X5 shakes windows and makes babies cry
You are bang on the money re toning down the boxes. I already had a discussion on the forum on that point and indeed have some high temp matt black paint ready for the job (found some matt black barbeque paint, that's for spraying direct on bare metal and good for extreme temps). I decided to run it for a month and see what I thought before painting as the cans are brand new and will mellow and it's hard to revert once sprayed.
Wheels are self customised jobs with the centres being done in smoked chrome. A 3 part process of black base, wet chrome and lacquer over.
paddy - not really much to hear as it's well silenced. There is a meaningful growl once the revs rise and things get serious, but I did not want a 'ricer' box. Equally I like to 'play' without drawing too much attention via the noise. I also had a warning from Mrs CJ who gets pissed that the Hamann quad on the X5 shakes windows and makes babies cry
Jaguar F-Type 3.0 Supercharged V6 S, Stratus Grey, LSD, Active Exhaust, CF wheels, Performance brakes, Sports seats and mods ongoing
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
Gone but not forgotten Z4 3.0i SE Roadster ///M front, Red ///M leather seats, Aero sills
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
just awesome and a great look
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Re: Quad Conversion - Project Write up
Nice work
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