UK "NETT ZERO" ENERGY POLICY VERY TROUBLING

[sars]

The old adage, if one person gives you a penny it is nothing, if everyone in the whole world gives you a penny…….

But alas, Governments with large and/or poor populations have more pressing concerns than climate change.

[pvr]

As a world, we have bigger problems than climate change. Russian and muslim terrorists need to be dealt with, including their supporters.

[smorris_12]

In addition, if as some state, we are responsible for all these greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, what happens to the flora, fauna and the sea life, which feeds on CO2 and turns it into the oxygen that we need if we stop producing CO2?

This is a lovely example of unsound reasoning[1].

Posit: Trees consume CO2
Posit: We produce CO2

Inference: Therefore, if we stop producing CO2 the trees die

The faults are:

1) There is always naturally occurring CO2
2) While flora wants CO2, it can be poisoned by an excess of it

This is the sort of simple minded stuff seen everywhere these days in our sound bite culture and used to massive advantage by those out to make a quick buck, sow division or run for government.


[1] Not being accusatory, I just like fallacious logic

[Nanu]

Sound logic actually. At least you agree that CO2 is produced naturally which we can do nothing about.

The CO2 (Carbon cycle) is a little more complex however. The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the more plants especially trees produce more green growth in the form of leaves but less fruit / flowers/ seeds. The outcome however is they take more CO2 out of the atmosphere and replace more oxygen.

Over time the levels of CO2 drop and with it leaf and oxygen production. Because the trees are under more stress they produce more fruit /flowers / seeds but take less CO2 out of the atmosphere so those levels rise again. And so the cycle repeats itself with one lagging behind the other for several years.

it would appear we at a point in the cycle with CO2 being high but nature will catch up.

[MikeyH]

Does that mean I don't have to by one of those bloody awful SUV EVs everyone is pushing at me?

[MrPT]

it would appear we at a point in the cycle with CO2 being high but nature will catch up.

Have you seen long term graphs of atmospheric CO2? We’re not really in a cyclic pattern anymore, we’ve sort of shot off into the heavens.

I think you are confusing the short term carbon cycle, which involves trees and plants, with the long term one involving the fossilisation of marine life, geological processes etc.

Agree that the rest of nature will probably still catch up, but at this rate it might need us to go away first.

[TitanTim]

Blame Brazil

Tim.

[TitanTim]

As a world, we have bigger problems than climate change. Russian and muslim terrorists need to be dealt with, including their supporters.

Can't see that will ever happen as the west is too weak kneed. It knew what was going to happen with Ukrain but sat back and let it happen, as for the Arab states they've been at it for eternity and it will carry on for eternity, it's not the west's fight.

Tim.

[TOMGREEN413]

I had air source Fujisi heat pumps when I lived in New Zealand (installed new as no other options except wood burner) and it was great for blowing cold air in the summer, worked OK in autumn n spring but was hopeless in mid winter, just blew a tepid draught throughout the bungalow we lived in. Oh, and in sub zero temperatures it would often cut out as the wind chill from the large fans caused a ice build up.
In a word.......PANTS......I'll stick to my woodburner n oil boiler thanks

[TitanTim]

The bungalow I live in was built in 1971 and the heating system was warm air, think it was a thing in the 70s so you had ducting in the floors and walls with grills and a small gas burner. It was an awful heating system being noisy as it relied on a fan to push the air around and was an all or nothing warmth, dog used to like sleeping over the grill in the floor though They were basically just a large fan heater as soon it switched off the temp would drop like a stone.

Tim.

[Nanu]

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Blame Brazil

I blame France, for no other reason other than the French live there

[TitanTim]

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Blame Brazil

I blame France, for no other reason other than the French live there

Lying in bed thinking can bed bugs swim

Tim.

[TOMGREEN413]

The bungalow I live in was built in 1971 and the heating system was warm air, think it was a thing in the 70s so you had ducting in the floors and walls with grills and a small gas burner. It was an awful heating system being noisy as it relied on a fan to push the air around and was an all or nothing warmth, dog used to like sleeping over the grill in the floor though They were basically just a large fan heater as soon it switched off the temp would drop like a stone.

Tim.

l used to maintain them back in the day and pulling the fans and filters was a horrible job, especially if the house had cats n dogs, the dust levels were beyond!!! They also were responsible for lots of breathing problems. Fortunately the last one I serviced was over 20 years ago.

[TOMGREEN413]

I guess I should rea d back the comments as I've know idea how we've ended up at warm air heating and drowning bed bugs in France????!!!

[TOMGREEN413]

On a lighter note..........(this'll kick things off again) ....mortgage lenders are going to stop remortgages or increase the premiums on houses without high EPC efficiency certificates.......yep.......YOU WILL COMPLY
This could make non complying properties un saleable.........