How many G29 Manual Z4s will be sold in the UK in 2024?

B21 · Post by **B21** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:18 pm

For info around 2,000 M40i have been sold in the UK since launch in 2019..

In 2023 around 300 M40i were sold

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:40 pm

If I compare it to the Porsche cars, 33% is sold in manual shape, so if they finally release a manual box in the Z4, I would expect roughly a third more sales of it.

I for one would never consider a non manual Z4.

r2uzenblot · Post by **r2uzenblot** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:59 pm

The problem with the G29 is that people who really wanted a G29 have probably bought one. I don't think that there will be more than a tiny number who will say 'must finally buy a G29 now there's a manual option' or 'must trade in my current G29 for manual'. With so few sales I can only think BMW are trying to max out the last sales before it runs out.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:02 pm

But imagine you buy one how much more it is worth in years to come, being a manual?

My 911 is one of the few manuals of its anniversary model in the UK, and the estimated value is significantly more being a manual (a smaller group of enthousiast would want that, but they are prepared to pay a significant premium for it).

Scubaregs · Post by **Scubaregs** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:52 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:02 pm But imagine you buy one how much more it is worth in years to come, being a manual?

You are forgetting something. A lot of kids these days are choosing automatics and that percentage will increase as time passes, then there is EVs, so in the time it takes to makes car become a sought after classic, there will be few buyers available that can drive a manual.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:04 pm

A small pool, but there will always be those that will want the real driving experience. Even now, when looking at the 964 or 993, manuals make almost twice as much as automatics.

Also, as we see in the USA, car jackers / thiefs can't drive manuals so it is safer

r2uzenblot · Post by **r2uzenblot** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:08 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:04 pm A small pool, but there will always be those that will want the real driving experience. Even now, when looking at the 964 or 993, manuals make almost twice as much as automatics.

Also, as we see in the USA, car jackers / thiefs can't drive manuals so it is safer

For a real driving experience I go out in my wife's car when she is driving......

Scubaregs · Post by **Scubaregs** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:09 pm

Feel sorry for all those F1 drivers etc, that don't get the "real driving experience".

sars · Post by **sars** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:22 pm

I contacted my local BMW sales manager in to enquire, he responded as follows: -
The manual has just been announced and only in that combination. I’m not sure if other combinations will become available at a later date, but I would suspect not
www.BMW.de you can specify in all colours so this can only be a UK decision

I'm also with PVR, I think the manual will become more of an enthusiasts car people will pay a premium for it. Hopefully when I come to change in 2025 there will be more choices.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:26 pm

Scubaregs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:09 pm Feel sorry for all those F1 drivers etc, that don't get the "real driving experience".

They don't, it is just a job. For Joe Public getting the best experience on the roads is a very different situation.

Scubaregs · Post by **Scubaregs** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:12 pm

I highly doubt it's just a job to them, or they are getting a lesser experience than you are.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:30 pm

Depends on your definition of experience. Less skills required and less involvement to me means less of an experience.

To them getting around the fastest way possible might be their drinving experience, but that to me is far removed from the "real" driving experience of personal interaction.

tomscott · Post by **tomscott** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:49 pm

Ye but it's down to the type of car. I can see the Auto suiting the Z4 better anyway, as much as I like manuals non of the BMWs have even been that good doesn't come close to the Porsche manuals which are like bolt action rifles in comparison.

I dont really see the point in buying a car for the residuals especially when its a Z4 they are never going to be an appreciating asset, look at the Ms they are 20 years old nearly and still not worth much more than they were 5 years ago. By the time the M40 is 20 in 2044 I cant see ICE cars being something people are interested in, and to the few that are still interested a G29 isnt going to be that high on many peoples list.

It's not popular now, it's so niche and with the numbers im surprised BMW made it. Im glad they did but it's not going to be long before it doesn't exist in this geography anyway.

I do think that if BMW had just made a proper M version and not these soft M versions it would have been more interesting and have sold more.

Scubaregs · Post by **Scubaregs** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:05 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 5:30 pm Depends on your definition of experience. Less skills required and less involvement to me means less of an experience.

To them getting around the fastest way possible might be their drinving experience, but that to me is far removed from the "real" driving experience of personal interaction.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong then, I don't seem to be getting the "real driving experience" when I'm in my manual Audi A3 as compared to the Zed.

pvr · Post by **pvr** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:12 pm

Throw a manual Z around a mountain pass versus an automatic. Getting those gear changes just right in the hairpins is the real experience.

I am not talking about going up and down the A9.

My X5Mis not manual, and it is really nice to drive and I have taken it in the mountains, but compared to my manual? Nah

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