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Post by thecremeegg » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:01 pm

My new M has the basic 6 speaker system which is a bit of a downgrade from the carver system in my other Zed!
From what I understand I don't have speakers in the doors so I would want to add those.

Anyone got any speaker recommendations that aren't hundreds of £ for me?

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Post by enuff_zed » Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:06 pm

thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:01 pm My new M has the basic 6 speaker system which is a bit of a downgrade from the carver system in my other Zed!
From what I understand I don't have speakers in the doors so I would want to add those.

Anyone got any speaker recommendations that aren't hundreds of £ for me?

Thanks!
I believe the cheapest option is to use a pair of the standard speakers from behind the seats which are identical to the door ones, then splice them in to the tweeters on the door.
Disclaimer: I have no idea when it comes to sound systems, but I have heard a lot of people say this.
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Post by Zedebee » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:23 pm

Yes, the speakers that would normally go in the doors are the same as the ones behind the headrests and readily available. You won’t have the wiring pre-installed, hence splice in from the tweeter as enuff suggests.

It won’t match your Carver set-up, sadly :(
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Post by Meds » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:30 pm

enuff_zed wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:06 pm I believe the cheapest option is to use a pair of the standard speakers from behind the seats which are identical to the door ones, then splice them in to the tweeters on the door.
Disclaimer: I have no idea when it comes to sound systems, but I have heard a lot of people say this.
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Post by mr.tourette » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:24 pm

A set of Crunch DSX4.2E components in the doors will help and a set of new 4 inch mids behind the seats will make a big improvement to the clarity of the system

I made a thread on my upgrade here viewtopic.php?t=125344&hilit=Crunch

Silverstar made a similar thread on his set up :thumbsup:
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Post by thecremeegg » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:09 pm

mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:24 pm A set of Crunch DSX4.2E components in the doors will help and a set of new 4 inch mids behind the seats will make a big improvement to the clarity of the system

I made a thread on my upgrade here viewtopic.php?t=125344&hilit=Crunch

Silverstar made a similar thread on his set up :thumbsup:
Thanks! So the base system doesn't have tweeters either? I thought it had tweeters as other guides seem to take the feed from that wiring?
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Post by enuff_zed » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:10 pm

thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:09 pm
mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:24 pm A set of Crunch DSX4.2E components in the doors will help and a set of new 4 inch mids behind the seats will make a big improvement to the clarity of the system

I made a thread on my upgrade here viewtopic.php?t=125344&hilit=Crunch

Silverstar made a similar thread on his set up :thumbsup:
Thanks! So the base system doesn't have tweeters either? I thought it had tweeters as other guides seem to take the feed from that wiring?
Yes it does. Tweeters in the door front corners and speakers in the kick panels and behind the headrests.
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Post by thecremeegg » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:22 pm

Ah ok thanks, I was confused hah
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Post by mr.tourette » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:13 pm

thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:22 pm Ah ok thanks, I was confused hah
enuff_zed wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:10 pm
thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:09 pm
mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:24 pm A set of Crunch DSX4.2E components in the doors will help and a set of new 4 inch mids behind the seats will make a big improvement to the clarity of the system

I made a thread on my upgrade here viewtopic.php?t=125344&hilit=Crunch

Silverstar made a similar thread on his set up :thumbsup:
Thanks! So the base system doesn't have tweeters either? I thought it had tweeters as other guides seem to take the feed from that wiring?
Yes it does. Tweeters in the door front corners and speakers in the kick panels and behind the headrests.
Its been a while but im pretty sure it doesnt, iirc, big woofers in the footwell, 2 4" in the doors and 2 4" behind the the driver make up the 6 speakers.

From what i remember putting in the components made a big difference :thumbsup:
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Post by Fady » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:20 pm

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Post by Zedebee » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:38 pm

That diagram is an E89 which is different :oops:

The E85/E86 standard 6 speaker is:
2 x woofers in the footwells
2 x midrange behind the headrests
2 x tweeters inboard of the door mirrors

The 10-speaker setup adds:
2 x midrange in the doors
2 x subwoofers in the cubbies behind the seats
An amp in the boot

The top-HiFi set up has:
Different subwoofers behind the seats (30v, so not interchangeable)
Other speakers are upgraded
Carver/DSP amp in the boot
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Post by mr.tourette » Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:43 pm

Oh bugger, didnt realise this was e85/86 in that case its correct it has tweeters but no 4 inch mids in doors.

In that case ..You can put a set of 4 inch mids in doors and take a feed from the tweeters as they recieve a full signal, I've done that mod for another member and its wortwhile :thumbsup:
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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:13 am

mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:13 pm
thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:22 pm Ah ok thanks, I was confused hah
enuff_zed wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:10 pm
thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:09 pm Thanks! So the base system doesn't have tweeters either? I thought it had tweeters as other guides seem to take the feed from that wiring?
Yes it does. Tweeters in the door front corners and speakers in the kick panels and behind the headrests.
Its been a while but im pretty sure it doesnt, iirc, big woofers in the footwell, 2 4" in the doors and 2 4" behind the the driver make up the 6 speakers.

From what i remember putting in the components made a big difference :thumbsup:
Having removed many a door card I can categorically state that the basic 6 speaker system is as I described. The black plastic triangles by the mirrors house tweeters. There are speaker grilles in the doors but they have a plastic blank fitted.
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Post by mr.tourette » Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:41 pm

enuff_zed wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:13 am
mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:13 pm
thecremeegg wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:22 pm Ah ok thanks, I was confused hah
enuff_zed wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:10 pm Yes it does. Tweeters in the door front corners and speakers in the kick panels and behind the headrests.
Its been a while but im pretty sure it doesnt, iirc, big woofers in the footwell, 2 4" in the doors and 2 4" behind the the driver make up the 6 speakers.

From what i remember putting in the components made a big difference :thumbsup:
Having removed many a door card I can categorically state that the basic 6 speaker system is as I described. The black plastic triangles by the mirrors house tweeters. There are speaker grilles in the doors but they have a plastic blank fitted.
You are correct mate as I posted up there^^^I mistakenly thought this was e89 not e86 :thumbsup:
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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:00 pm

mr.tourette wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 3:41 pm
enuff_zed wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:13 am
mr.tourette wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:13 pm Its been a while but im pretty sure it doesnt, iirc, big woofers in the footwell, 2 4" in the doors and 2 4" behind the the driver make up the 6 speakers.

From what i remember putting in the components made a big difference :thumbsup:
Having removed many a door card I can categorically state that the basic 6 speaker system is as I described. The black plastic triangles by the mirrors house tweeters. There are speaker grilles in the doors but they have a plastic blank fitted.
You are correct mate as I posted up there^^^I mistakenly thought this was e89 not e86 :thumbsup:
Oh sorry, missed that post.
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