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How many G29 Manual Z4s will be sold in the UK in 2024?

Poll Poll So how many of the G29 manual version will be sold in the UK in 2024?

  • Way more than the auto version by at least a factor of 2 (or more than 100)

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Way more if there were more colour / trim options ( or more than 100 )

    Votes: 5 13.2%

  • More but less than twice as many autos (or more than 50)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • More if there were more colour / trim options (or more than 50)

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • About the same number

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • About the same number if there were more colour / trim options

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • Less than 100

    Votes: 17 44.7%

  • Way less than 50

    Votes: 9 23.7%

  • Less than 10

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    38
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Lifer
Scottish Borders
For info around 2,000 M40i have been sold in the UK since launch in 2019..

In 2023 around 300 M40i were sold
 
If I compare it to the Porsche cars, 33% is sold in manual shape, so if they finally release a manual box in the Z4, I would expect roughly a third more sales of it.

I for one would never consider a non manual Z4.
 
The problem with the G29 is that people who really wanted a G29 have probably bought one. I don't think that there will be more than a tiny number who will say 'must finally buy a G29 now there's a manual option' or 'must trade in my current G29 for manual'. With so few sales I can only think BMW are trying to max out the last sales before it runs out.
 
But imagine you buy one how much more it is worth in years to come, being a manual?

My 911 is one of the few manuals of its anniversary model in the UK, and the estimated value is significantly more being a manual (a smaller group of enthousiast would want that, but they are prepared to pay a significant premium for it).
 
pvr said:
But imagine you buy one how much more it is worth in years to come, being a manual?
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You are forgetting something. A lot of kids these days are choosing automatics and that percentage will increase as time passes, then there is EVs, so in the time it takes to makes car become a sought after classic, there will be few buyers available that can drive a manual.
 
A small pool, but there will always be those that will want the real driving experience. Even now, when looking at the 964 or 993, manuals make almost twice as much as automatics.

Also, as we see in the USA, car jackers / thiefs can't drive manuals so it is safer :lol:
 
pvr said:
A small pool, but there will always be those that will want the real driving experience. Even now, when looking at the 964 or 993, manuals make almost twice as much as automatics.

Also, as we see in the USA, car jackers / thiefs can't drive manuals so it is safer :lol:
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For a real driving experience I go out in my wife's car when she is driving...... :rofl:
 
I contacted my local BMW sales manager in to enquire, he responded as follows: -
The manual has just been announced and only in that combination. I’m not sure if other combinations will become available at a later date, but I would suspect not
www.BMW.de you can specify in all colours so this can only be a UK decision :poke:
I'm also with PVR, I think the manual will become more of an enthusiasts car people will pay a premium for it. Hopefully when I come to change in 2025 there will be more choices.
 
Scubaregs said:
Feel sorry for all those F1 drivers etc, that don't get the "real driving experience". :rofl:
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They don't, it is just a job. For Joe Public getting the best experience on the roads is a very different situation.
 
Depends on your definition of experience. Less skills required and less involvement to me means less of an experience.

To them getting around the fastest way possible might be their drinving experience, but that to me is far removed from the "real" driving experience of personal interaction.
 
Ye but it's down to the type of car. I can see the Auto suiting the Z4 better anyway, as much as I like manuals non of the BMWs have even been that good doesn't come close to the Porsche manuals which are like bolt action rifles in comparison.

I dont really see the point in buying a car for the residuals especially when its a Z4 they are never going to be an appreciating asset, look at the Ms they are 20 years old nearly and still not worth much more than they were 5 years ago. By the time the M40 is 20 in 2044 I cant see ICE cars being something people are interested in, and to the few that are still interested a G29 isnt going to be that high on many peoples list.

It's not popular now, it's so niche and with the numbers im surprised BMW made it. Im glad they did but it's not going to be long before it doesn't exist in this geography anyway.

I do think that if BMW had just made a proper M version and not these soft M versions it would have been more interesting and have sold more.
 
pvr said:
Depends on your definition of experience. Less skills required and less involvement to me means less of an experience.

To them getting around the fastest way possible might be their drinving experience, but that to me is far removed from the "real" driving experience of personal interaction.
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Not sure what I'm doing wrong then, I don't seem to be getting the "real driving experience" when I'm in my manual Audi A3 as compared to the Zed.
 
Throw a manual Z around a mountain pass versus an automatic. Getting those gear changes just right in the hairpins is the real experience.

I am not talking about going up and down the A9.

My X5Mis not manual, and it is really nice to drive and I have taken it in the mountains, but compared to my manual? Nah
 
Again you keep harping on about the "real" experience. Rather patronising don't you think, telling others their experiences aren’t real as they don't drive a manual?

I get why there is an eternal argument of manual vs auto, people have their preferences, however it's a bit like a follower of one religion decrying a follower of another for their faith not being real.
 
Ok - change that into a "more engaged" experience rather than "real". Don't think there is much argument about using that terminology.

Most people don't want that as part of their driving, which comes back to the original point of the thread that there will be a smaller group to which it really appeals.
 
Not being a dog with a bone, but I've never felt less engaged when driving an automatic for fun rather than a manual.

I could say that I do feel more engaged riding my litre sportsbike, as it feels like every other road user is out to get me. :rofl:
 
pvr said:
Throw a manual Z around a mountain pass versus an automatic. Getting those gear changes just right in the hairpins is the real experience.

I am not talking about going up and down the A9.

My X5Mis not manual, and it is really nice to drive and I have taken it in the mountains, but compared to my manual? Nah
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Use the paddle shifts when you want "a real driving experience" Just the same as moving a gear stick and dipping a clutch without the bother.

Still get just the right choice of gear changes in hairpins but using paddles instead of a stick
 
Nanu said:
Use the paddle shifts when you want "a real driving experience" Just the same as moving a gear stick and dipping a clutch without the bother.

Still get just the right choice of gear changes in hairpins but using paddles instead of a stick
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It isn't just that, though, is it? It's not just the 'lack of clutch pedal' that makes a manual different and more involving. It's many things IMO.

But we are in danger (again) of getting into the tribal argument of manual vs auto. On other forums it's ICE vs EV nowadays, but we haven't quite got there yet on here!

Having owned a B58 with the ZF auto, I would LOVE to have a manual version of anything with that engine.
 
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