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The jab ..

Poll Poll Will you take the COVID jab

  • Of course

    Votes: 158 79.0%

  • Hell no

    Votes: 18 9.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • After results of first round are known

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Total voters
    200
Old-Duckman said:
I've got to admit, your last line made me chuckle. You surely got that right, the government could screw up a one car funeral.

But, to deny that there are those who want to control the masses...Well I think that is simply a denial of world history. Do I really have to list the megalomaniacs scattered through all human history to prove that point, I think not. And if you think those types no longer exist in our world of today, then I would say you are in denial and quite frankly naive.

Research the World Economic Forum (WEF) and Agenda 2030. Doing so will give you some insight to those who are control freaks in our day and age. They surely think they know what's best for us and they have plans to accomplish their agenda. I saw a video produced by the WEF where in one scene there is the face of a smiling young man, the voice over actually says, “You'll own nothing and be happy.” Really !!? But, no, they don't want to control anyone.
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To be clear on this point, I did NOT say I don’t think governments want to “control us” - I said that even if they have those aspirations that just can’t do it (I am of course talking about Democratic governments ...)

Perhaps I am naive - I prefer to think I’m pragmatic!
 
https://www.queerty.com/orthodox-rabbi-warns-covid-19-vaccine-will-make-gay-20210116

Probably my favourite BS article I have read so far 😂😂😂😂
 
Old-Duckman said:
Personally I would not get the vaccine even if it was proven that it did protect me from getting the virus. As I said earlier, I'll take my chances and I am 65 years old and take medication for hypertension. So I guess I would be considered someone who is in a vulnerable class. But I'd rather take my chances than take an experimental (IMO...OK) vaccine.
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I note you live in the USA where you don't have a government funded National Health Service: who pays for the cost of the individual C-19 vaccinations and if someone needs hospitalisation for severe C-19 infection, who pays for the cost of your treatment in that scenario?
 
I thought the potential cost of hospitalisation or medical treatment would have been enough incentive for folk to get a jab for the cost of a few $ in the USA .
 
ronk said:
I thought the potential cost of hospitalisation or medical treatment would have been enough incentive for folk to get a jab for the cost of a few $ in the USA .
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That's exactly what I'm trying to find out.

I had a very interesting and lengthy conversation with a guy in San Diego several years back about the costs and implications of suffering medical conditions requiring treatment and hospitalisation in the USA. I was left thinking that sitting in a chair was the most cost-effective lifestyle in the US otherwise the risks from accidents are potentially financially crippling. Therefore, no matter what stance against government control or "Them" you take, a C-19 vaccine would be the cheapest medical insurance you could get in the US?
 
Watch this one get discredited as soon as it appears:
https://bgr.com/2021/01/15/covid-treatment-drug-cholesterol-fenofibrate-ticor/
 
exdos said:
Old-Duckman said:
Personally I would not get the vaccine even if it was proven that it did protect me from getting the virus. As I said earlier, I'll take my chances and I am 65 years old and take medication for hypertension. So I guess I would be considered someone who is in a vulnerable class. But I'd rather take my chances than take an experimental (IMO...OK) vaccine.
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I note you live in the USA where you don't have a government funded National Health Service: who pays for the cost of the individual C-19 vaccinations and if someone needs hospitalisation for severe C-19 infection, who pays for the cost of your treatment in that scenario?
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Don't know about others but I get my health insurance from my employer. I pay a reasonable amount for it out of my paycheck and my employer foots the bill for the remainder.

Should I retire, since I am 65 YO I would qualify for Government aid called MediCare. I would then need to buy a supplemental insurance policy to help cover those expenses not covered by MediCare.

There is a Government program for lower income people called MediCaid.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/pf/07/medicare-vs-medicaid.asp

Specifically for Covid there is "CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security)" that is explained in the above link as well.
 
Nanu said:
In response to Old-Duckman, Its not control of any kind to say no vaccine no fly. It's your free choice how you want to live your life. All decisions have consequences. You step out in front of a car or you choose not to. The decision is yours but the outcome of that decision may have consequences but it's your free choice. Nobody is controlling your decision and as you say, your body your choice.
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I guess that would depend on how one defines "control". It sounds like you would have no problems with something like China's "social credit" system.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/the-horrors-of-social-credit-coming-soon_K2dFkTqXvGiXsQQ.html

This is worth a watch. I don't know if you have the expression where you live, "The camel's nose underneath the tent." Basically it is "you give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile." Well IMO that is what one is welcoming and asking for more of once we allow the government (or whoever) to start punishing us for not obeying their commands. Mind you I did not say "obeying their laws" that is another story...Mandates, commands, whatever they might be called do not hold the force of law. And what you seem to approve of is a form of social punishment...Do you really want to open that door?
 
I have no problem with me taking decisions that suit my lifestyle and assessing the consequences of those decisions against the net benefits. If the benefits outweigh the consequences I go ahead.

The Corona Virus stuff you refer to are statutes passed by Parliament and there is also guidance alongside those statutes on how they should be interpreted and if necessary enforced. As with all Laws, you can decide if you wish to obey or not. If you do not their may be consequences. Again in a democracy it's your choice.
 
exdos said:
Old-Duckman said:
Personally I would not get the vaccine even if it was proven that it did protect me from getting the virus. As I said earlier, I'll take my chances and I am 65 years old and take medication for hypertension. So I guess I would be considered someone who is in a vulnerable class. But I'd rather take my chances than take an experimental (IMO...OK) vaccine.
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I note you live in the USA where you don't have a government funded National Health Service: who pays for the cost of the individual C-19 vaccinations and if someone needs hospitalisation for severe C-19 infection, who pays for the cost of your treatment in that scenario?
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government funded National Health Service - big f....in lol.... :rofl:
 
Meanwhile, the American Medical Association quietly rescind their slagging off of Hydroxychloroquine (now that the election is over).
P18, if you're interested.
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2020-10/nov20-handbook-addendum.pdf
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https://en-volve.com/2020/12/18/with-the-election-over-ama-magically-approves-hydroxychloroquine-covid-treatment-because-it-no-longer-risks-helping-trump/
 
Nanu said:
I have no problem with me taking decisions that suit my lifestyle and assessing the consequences of those decisions against the net benefits. If the benefits outweigh the consequences I go ahead.

The Corona Virus stuff you refer to are statutes passed by Parliament and there is also guidance alongside those statutes on how they should be interpreted and if necessary enforced. As with all Laws, you can decide if you wish to obey or not. If you do not their may be consequences. Again in a democracy it's your choice.
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I respect your opinions and decisions.

If you haven't yet you really should view the video I posted a link to earlier (it is only 16+ minutes long). The title is "The Horrors of Social Credit - Coming Soon" given by a Dr. Vernon Coleman. I believe he is based in the UK, perhaps you already know of the man.

He describes the Chinese social credit system and where he sees it progressing. He also voices his concerns of how it will affect the western world as we adopt similar. It is a very frightening video IMO.

And, that is my concern. When we allow such punishment/restrictions done not via the laws of our countries but imposed by unelected tyrants such as company CEOs and the like, we are simply asking for more of the same. And eventually there goes any and all freedoms we might have left at this juncture of history.

Current examples of such abuses of power are the social media platforms which censor those who post articles, opinions, etc which are opposed to their views or ways of thinking. Search engines and video services (Google and YouTube being the main culprits) do similar in their respective platforms. This is control by the ultra rich, generally liberal or "progressive" types. If you don't think what is being done in those arenas are a form of control...Well then you and I obviously have a different definition of control. Similarly when an airline CEO decides that un-vaccinated people can not use their services that falls into a like category as I perceive it.

Let's assume that the great unwashed would be allowed to fly but they must wear a mask to do so. In essence a case of the scarlet letter so I would be against that indulgence as well. However, right now if I wear a mask, and if masks work (as we are constantly told they do), why should the un-vaccinated not be allowed to do whatever the vaccinated do as long as they wear a mask? That alone should be proof that masks are worthless. Sorry a bit off topic but I felt it somewhat fit.
 
Sounds like a new vaccine variant! 🤔

https://www-foxla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.foxla.com/news/california-official-calls-for-pause-on-specific-moderna-vaccine-due-to-possible-allergic-reaction.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16109560471719&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxla.com%2Fnews%2Fcalifornia-official-calls-for-pause-on-specific-moderna-vaccine-due-to-possible-allergic-reaction

It's ok because they are covered by the consent forms (attached). I appreciate that millions of needles have gone into arms without there being any problems. But it's just my luck when I get forced to take mine I get one from a moody batch.
 

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mgrlane said:
Sounds like a new vaccine variant! 🤔

https://www-foxla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.foxla.com/news/california-official-calls-for-pause-on-specific-moderna-vaccine-due-to-possible-allergic-reaction.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16109560471719&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxla.com%2Fnews%2Fcalifornia-official-calls-for-pause-on-specific-moderna-vaccine-due-to-possible-allergic-reaction

It's ok because they are covered by the consent forms (attached). I appreciate that millions of needles have gone into arms without there being any problems. But it's just my luck when I get forced to take mine I get one from a moody batch.
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As anyone following this thread knows I am against the vaccine. However, consent forms similar to this one are common for most, if not all, medical procedures.

However, the part that you highlighted should make those who hold to the opinion that this vaccine should not be considered experimental, might perhaps, reconsider their stance on that issue. Hmmmm.
 
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